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Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:21am
 

Fact check: Trump’s barrage of lies about Zelensky and Ukraine

In remarks to reporters on Tuesday and in a social media post on Wednesday, Trump made numerous false claims about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the Russian war on Ukraine – some of which echoed inaccurate talking points from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Here is a fact check of some of his assertions.

Who started the war

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Trump dismissed Ukraine’s complaints about its exclusion from US-Russia talks on ending the war – and falsely said of Ukraine: “You should’ve never started it. You could’ve made a deal.”

Ukraine did not start the war. Russia started the war by invading Ukraine in 2022. Trump’s own former vice president, Mike Pence, and several Republican lawmakers have noted this obvious fact in the wake of Trump’s lie.
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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:25am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:21am:
Fact check: Trump’s barrage of lies about Zelensky and Ukraine

In remarks to reporters on Tuesday and in a social media post on Wednesday, Trump made numerous false claims about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the Russian war on Ukraine – some of which echoed inaccurate talking points from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Here is a fact check of some of his assertions.

Who started the war

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Trump dismissed Ukraine’s complaints about its exclusion from US-Russia talks on ending the war – and falsely said of Ukraine: “You should’ve never started it. You could’ve made a deal.”

Ukraine did not start the war. Russia started the war by invading Ukraine in 2022. Trump’s own former vice president, Mike Pence, and several Republican lawmakers have noted this obvious fact in the wake of Trump’s lie.


Zelensky had the opportunity to make a deal with Putin, if he had agreed not to join NATO he may have been able to avoid the war. NATO and Europe insistence that Ukraine resist Putin led them down the path of war.

Its not my opinion or apportioning blame but just a fact.

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Russia has massed more than 100,000 troops around Ukraine’s borders and is campaigning for security guarantees from the West including a guarantee that Kyiv will be prevented from ever joining NATO’s ranks, despite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy pushing for it to do so.

“We need to resolve this question now … [and] we hope very much our concern will be heard by our partners and taken seriously,” Putin told reporters in Moscow
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/15/putin-ukraine-nato-membership-question-must-be-resolved-now
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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:27am
 

Zelensky’s approval rating

In the same Tuesday remarks, Trump called for a new Ukrainian election – last year’s previously scheduled presidential election was called off because the country is under martial law – and falsely claimed Zelensky is “down at 4% percent approval rating.”

That 4% figure is not even close to accurate.

The latest survey from a leading Ukrainian pollster, conducted earlier this month, found that 57% of Ukrainians said they trusted Zelensky. That was up from 52% in December – and 52% was Zelensky’s lowest wartime figure in this series of trust surveys. In addition, an approval survey conducted from late November to early January found 63% of Ukrainians either approved fully or tended to approve of Zelensky’s actions as president.
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Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:36am
 
I know, Greggery, but you need to take different methodologies into consideration.

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In the Wednesday social media post, Trump falsely claimed that Zelensky “talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars” to “go into” an unwinnable war.

According to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German think tank that closely tracks wartime aid to Ukraine, the US had committed a total of about $124 billion in military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine between late January 2022, just before the Russian invasion, and the end of December 2024; the think tank found the US had actually allocated about $119 billion.

It’s possible to arrive at different totals using different counting methodologies,


It depends how you do your sums, you see.

Year 9 maths, innit.
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Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:44am
 
Zelensky is gone, he is a war monger and has no interest in finding a peaceful solution and stopping the killing.

Time will tell where he takes Ukraine.
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Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:49am
 

US wartime aid to Ukraine

In the Wednesday social media post, Trump falsely claimed that Zelensky “talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars” to “go into” an unwinnable war.

The $350 billion figure, too, is far from reality.

According to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, a German think tank that closely tracks wartime aid to Ukraine, the US had committed a total of about $124 billion in military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine between late January 2022, just before the Russian invasion, and the end of December 2024; the think tank found the US had actually allocated about $119 billion.

It’s possible to arrive at different totals using different counting methodologies, but there is no apparent basis for Trump’s “$350 billion” figure. The US government inspector general overseeing the Ukraine response has said on its website that “as of September 30, 2024, the U.S. Ukraine response funding totals nearly $183 billion, with $130.1 billion obligated and $86.7 billion disbursed” – and that includes funding spent in the US or sent to countries other than Ukraine.
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Re: Trump’s barrage of lies
Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:51am
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:21am:
Fact check: Trump’s barrage of lies about Zelensky and Ukraine

In remarks to reporters on Tuesday and in a social media post on Wednesday, Trump made numerous false claims about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the Russian war on Ukraine – some of which echoed inaccurate talking points from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Here is a fact check of some of his assertions.

Who started the war

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Trump dismissed Ukraine’s complaints about its exclusion from US-Russia talks on ending the war – and falsely said of Ukraine: “You should’ve never started it. You could’ve made a deal.”

Ukraine did not start the war. Russia started the war by invading Ukraine in 2022. Trump’s own former vice president, Mike Pence, and several Republican lawmakers have noted this obvious fact in the wake of Trump’s lie.


Zelensky had the opportunity to make a deal with Putin, if he had agreed not to join NATO he may have been able to avoid the war. NATO and Europe insistence that Ukraine resist Putin led them down the path of war.

Its not my opinion or apportioning blame but just a fact.

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Russia has massed more than 100,000 troops around Ukraine’s borders and is campaigning for security guarantees from the West including a guarantee that Kyiv will be prevented from ever joining NATO’s ranks, despite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy pushing for it to do so.

“We need to resolve this question now … [and] we hope very much our concern will be heard by our partners and taken seriously,” Putin told reporters in Moscow
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/15/putin-ukraine-nato-membership-question-must-be-resolved-now
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Why doesn't Russia want Ukraine to join NATO?
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Reply #7 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:54am
 
KangAnon wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:51am:
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:21am:
Fact check: Trump’s barrage of lies about Zelensky and Ukraine

In remarks to reporters on Tuesday and in a social media post on Wednesday, Trump made numerous false claims about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the Russian war on Ukraine – some of which echoed inaccurate talking points from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Here is a fact check of some of his assertions.

Who started the war

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Trump dismissed Ukraine’s complaints about its exclusion from US-Russia talks on ending the war – and falsely said of Ukraine: “You should’ve never started it. You could’ve made a deal.”

Ukraine did not start the war. Russia started the war by invading Ukraine in 2022. Trump’s own former vice president, Mike Pence, and several Republican lawmakers have noted this obvious fact in the wake of Trump’s lie.


Zelensky had the opportunity to make a deal with Putin, if he had agreed not to join NATO he may have been able to avoid the war. NATO and Europe insistence that Ukraine resist Putin led them down the path of war.

Its not my opinion or apportioning blame but just a fact.

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Russia has massed more than 100,000 troops around Ukraine’s borders and is campaigning for security guarantees from the West including a guarantee that Kyiv will be prevented from ever joining NATO’s ranks, despite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy pushing for it to do so.

“We need to resolve this question now … [and] we hope very much our concern will be heard by our partners and taken seriously,” Putin told reporters in Moscow
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/15/putin-ukraine-nato-membership-question-must-be-resolved-now
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Why doesn't Russia want Ukraine to join NATO?


Probably the same reason America threatened to go to war with Russia if they put missiles in Cuba.


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Reply #8 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:01am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:27am:
Zelensky’s approval rating

In the same Tuesday remarks, Trump called for a new Ukrainian election – last year’s previously scheduled presidential election was called off because the country is under martial law – and falsely claimed Zelensky is “down at 4% percent approval rating.”

That 4% figure is not even close to accurate.

The latest survey from a leading Ukrainian pollster, conducted earlier this month, found that 57% of Ukrainians said they trusted Zelensky. That was up from 52% in December – and 52% was Zelensky’s lowest wartime figure in this series of trust surveys. In addition, an approval survey conducted from late November to early January found 63% of Ukrainians either approved fully or tended to approve of Zelensky’s actions as president.


The big fella's right, Greggery. He's always stood for free and fair elections, you know.

All Zalensky needs to do is change the Constitution to allow an election during wartime. Easy-peasy, no?

If he needs any help, he can just ask Vlad.

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Reply #9 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:05am
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:44am:
Zelensky is gone, he is a war monger and has no interest in finding a peaceful solution and stopping the killing.

Time will tell where he takes Ukraine.


I know, right? Apparently he keeps a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed.

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Reply #10 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:23am
 

US aid vs. European aid

In both the Tuesday remarks and the Wednesday social media post, Trump returned to his familiar but false claim about a supposedly massive disparity between the amount of Ukraine aid provided by the US and by Europe.

He said Tuesday: “I think Europe has given $100 billion and we’ve given, let’s say, $300-plus (billion).” He wrote Wednesday: “The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe.”

Neither of those statements are accurate.

In fact, according to the Kiel Institute’s data, Europe – the European Union plus individual European countries – had collectively committed far more total wartime military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine through December (about $258 billion) than the US committed (about $124 billion). Europe had also allocated more military, financial and humanitarian aid (about $138 billion) than the US allocated (about $119 billion).

The US did have a slim lead in one particular category, military aid allocated, providing about $67 billion to about $65 billion for Europe. But even that was nowhere close to the giant gulf Trump described.
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Reply #11 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:28am
 
I suppose a time will come when we all just shrug at the jaw-droppingly inane crap that Trump spews.  Sad
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Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:52am
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:54am:
KangAnon wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:51am:
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:21am:
Fact check: Trump’s barrage of lies about Zelensky and Ukraine

In remarks to reporters on Tuesday and in a social media post on Wednesday, Trump made numerous false claims about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the Russian war on Ukraine – some of which echoed inaccurate talking points from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Here is a fact check of some of his assertions.

Who started the war

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Trump dismissed Ukraine’s complaints about its exclusion from US-Russia talks on ending the war – and falsely said of Ukraine: “You should’ve never started it. You could’ve made a deal.”

Ukraine did not start the war. Russia started the war by invading Ukraine in 2022. Trump’s own former vice president, Mike Pence, and several Republican lawmakers have noted this obvious fact in the wake of Trump’s lie.


Zelensky had the opportunity to make a deal with Putin, if he had agreed not to join NATO he may have been able to avoid the war. NATO and Europe insistence that Ukraine resist Putin led them down the path of war.

Its not my opinion or apportioning blame but just a fact.

Quote:
Russia has massed more than 100,000 troops around Ukraine’s borders and is campaigning for security guarantees from the West including a guarantee that Kyiv will be prevented from ever joining NATO’s ranks, despite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy pushing for it to do so.

“We need to resolve this question now … [and] we hope very much our concern will be heard by our partners and taken seriously,” Putin told reporters in Moscow
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/15/putin-ukraine-nato-membership-question-must-be-resolved-now
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Why doesn't Russia want Ukraine to join NATO?


Probably the same reason America threatened to go to war with Russia if they put missiles in Cuba.




Actually, it's a different reason, dear. Vlad doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO because he doesn't want to invade NATO.

You can see why, no? I mean, next time he meddled in a Ukrainian election or seized more Ukrainian territory or bombed another Ukrainian hospital or school, there would be NATO, saying hi there, Vlad.

Look, we'll probably see the US pull out of NATO over the next four years. Resistance to Ukrainian membership would then come down to Hungary and Turkey.

Those two countries have DL's favourite bosses after Vlad and Kim: Viktor Orban and Recep Erdogan. During his first term, Erdogan had DL on speed dial, so do you know?

While DL froths away over invading friends like Canada, his best buddies are the cunts. The post-war era of peace and prosperity is over. Imagine, the most peaceful period in Western history - gone. See how easy it was to do: a few deals here, a couple of threats there and a barrage of lies the likes of which have never been seen before - total fake news domination.

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Reply #13 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:58am
 
KangAnon wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:51am:
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 10:21am:
Fact check: Trump’s barrage of lies about Zelensky and Ukraine

In remarks to reporters on Tuesday and in a social media post on Wednesday, Trump made numerous false claims about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the Russian war on Ukraine – some of which echoed inaccurate talking points from Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Here is a fact check of some of his assertions.

Who started the war

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Trump dismissed Ukraine’s complaints about its exclusion from US-Russia talks on ending the war – and falsely said of Ukraine: “You should’ve never started it. You could’ve made a deal.”

Ukraine did not start the war. Russia started the war by invading Ukraine in 2022. Trump’s own former vice president, Mike Pence, and several Republican lawmakers have noted this obvious fact in the wake of Trump’s lie.


Zelensky had the opportunity to make a deal with Putin, if he had agreed not to join NATO he may have been able to avoid the war. NATO and Europe insistence that Ukraine resist Putin led them down the path of war.

Its not my opinion or apportioning blame but just a fact.

Quote:
Russia has massed more than 100,000 troops around Ukraine’s borders and is campaigning for security guarantees from the West including a guarantee that Kyiv will be prevented from ever joining NATO’s ranks, despite Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy pushing for it to do so.

“We need to resolve this question now … [and] we hope very much our concern will be heard by our partners and taken seriously,” Putin told reporters in Moscow
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/15/putin-ukraine-nato-membership-question-must-be-resolved-now
.


Why doesn't Russia want Ukraine to join NATO?


Here's the most important point that many are missing about NATO. The organisation is purely defensive in nature. It is not offensive, and says so in its charter. Ukraine joining NATO is in no way a threat to Putin. It only becomes a threat if Putin takes action against Ukraine, which he has done.
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Reply #14 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:59am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:23am:
US aid vs. European aid

In both the Tuesday remarks and the Wednesday social media post, Trump returned to his familiar but false claim about a supposedly massive disparity between the amount of Ukraine aid provided by the US and by Europe.

He said Tuesday: “I think Europe has given $100 billion and we’ve given, let’s say, $300-plus (billion).” He wrote Wednesday: “The United States has spent $200 Billion Dollars more than Europe.”

Neither of those statements are accurate.

In fact, according to the Kiel Institute’s data, Europe – the European Union plus individual European countries – had collectively committed far more total wartime military, financial and humanitarian aid to Ukraine through December (about $258 billion) than the US committed (about $124 billion). Europe had also allocated more military, financial and humanitarian aid (about $138 billion) than the US allocated (about $119 billion).

The US did have a slim lead in one particular category, military aid allocated, providing about $67 billion to about $65 billion for Europe. But even that was nowhere close to the giant gulf Trump described.


We're all entitled to our opinions, Greggery. CNN says this, DL says that, his followers believe what they're told.

Leroy's armed with something no one else has - an exclamation mark.

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