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Re: How to bring peace to Ukraine
Reply #15 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 6:34pm
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 4:58pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 3:27pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 1:26pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 1:16pm:
Frank wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 12:57pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 11:51am:
Get rid of Trump and the Americans. It's THAT simple. Get rid of Trump, because he is too unpredictable, too unreliable, too erratic and too narcissistic. It's all about him, all about Donald J. Trump and "the art of the deal" what with his supposed mastery of deal making. He couldn't care less about Ukraine, it's people, or Russia or the rest of Europe. He just wants to be lauded as the one who came up with the deal that ended the war in Ukraine. He wants a Nobel Peace Prize. He wants to be on every TV screen in the world with news bulletins proclaiming him as saviour. His envoys and secretaries that he sent to start negotiations with Russia need to go as well, because they don't care about anything except pleasing their boss and doing whatever he says, no matter how completely and utterly insane it is.

The only way to achieve peace now is to have the only people who will be affected by it involved in the negotiations. Ukraine and Europe along with Russia, obviously. President Volodymyr Zelenskyy needs to call British Prime Minister Keir Starmer and French President Emmanuel Macron in order to have them involved in negotiations with Russia. Perhaps the EU can play a leading role, along with NATO. But because of the lunacy of Trump and the incompetence of Hegseth prior to negotiations even commencing, the Americans need to be completely left out from this point forward. America literally has no stake in this, apart from Trumps' incredibly fragile ego. he has said so himself - there's a beautiful ocean between America and them, he said. Europe and Ukraine clearly do have a stake in this and they must be the ones to take over from here. THIS is how you bring peace to Ukraine.



Er.... The war started under Biden....  The one before that, in 2014, under O' Bama... tsk, tsk  Shocked Shocked

But now it's all Trumps fault.

Why didn't the Europeans sort it before Trump? While Biden and Harris were in office?  Please explain.






I never said Trump was to blame for this invasion. I said he is the wrong person to be negotiating peace between Ukraine and Russia. Why? He's too busy taking it up the rear from his buddy Putin.


So who is going to negotiate with Putin.

No answer to that have you.

Oh wait, yes we could send Kamala over to negotiate and she can tell them stories of her growing up in middle class America ans as the first black woman (Indian black not african black) to negotiate a peace deal with Russia.




Did you even read what I said? I said Europe must solve this, not Trump. So it could be Starmer and Macron negotiating alongside Zelenskyy. Or maybe the German leader or the head of the EU. But not Trump. He’s so far up himself he talks about himself in the third person!


Europe can't solve this unless they back down and accept and give assurances that NATO will keep out of Ukraine, its not me saying that its what Putin wants.

I can't wait to see who is going to deal with Putin if Trump is ousted from the talks and it will be the people of Ukraine that suffer the concequences.


Who says Putin has to get everything he wants? Oh yeah, Trump. He expects Ukraine to make all the concessions while Russia makes none whatsoever. That's Trump for you - he's bending over to take it up the tail pipe from Putin!
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Re: How to bring peace to Ukraine
Reply #16 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 6:42pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 6:34pm:
Who says Putin has to get everything he wants? Oh yeah, Trump. He expects Ukraine to make all the concessions while Russia makes none whatsoever. That's Trump for you - he's bending over to take it up the tail pipe from Putin!


If Ukraine has a better offer than what Trump can come up with then they should take it. But as it is right now all Europe has come up with in nothing, zilch, zero.

Biden Harris what did they do achieve in the last three years.

Who has a better plan than Trump?.

And while you are at it, what is the best plan so far for stopping the killing.
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Reply #17 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 7:50pm
 
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 6:42pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 6:34pm:
Who says Putin has to get everything he wants? Oh yeah, Trump. He expects Ukraine to make all the concessions while Russia makes none whatsoever. That's Trump for you - he's bending over to take it up the tail pipe from Putin!


If Ukraine has a better offer than what Trump can come up with then they should take it. But as it is right now all Europe has come up with in nothing, zilch, zero.

Biden Harris what did they do achieve in the last three years.

Who has a better plan than Trump?.

And while you are at it, what is the best plan so far for stopping the killing.


All that Trump has is for Ukraine to fold like a pack of cards and do whatever Putin wants. He has said as much. That's a non-starter for Ukraine, and rightly so.
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Re: How to bring peace to Ukraine
Reply #18 - Feb 20th, 2025 at 7:58pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 7:50pm:
Leroy wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 6:42pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20th, 2025 at 6:34pm:
Who says Putin has to get everything he wants? Oh yeah, Trump. He expects Ukraine to make all the concessions while Russia makes none whatsoever. That's Trump for you - he's bending over to take it up the tail pipe from Putin!


If Ukraine has a better offer than what Trump can come up with then they should take it. But as it is right now all Europe has come up with in nothing, zilch, zero.

Biden Harris what did they do achieve in the last three years.

Who has a better plan than Trump?.

And while you are at it, what is the best plan so far for stopping the killing.


All that Trump has is for Ukraine to fold like a pack of cards and do whatever Putin wants. He has said as much. That's a non-starter for Ukraine, and rightly so.


Ukraine don't have any other option, what are they going to do attack Russia.

Lets look at it.

Warsaw pact and US promise Russia it will not allow NATO to advance to the East. Any movement would be considered hostile.

Zelensky gets elected and calls to join NATO bringing NATO to Russian borders.

Putin warns Zelensky not to try and join NATO, NATO countries talk about Ukraine joining NATO.

Putin invades Ukraine.


Yes Ukraine are going to get the short end of the stick, Zelensky played politics and lost.


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