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Reply #15 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:44pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:25pm:

I can't believe Trump is not doing what you guys want him to do, doesn't he know who you guys are. Does he not read Ozpolitics.

my thoughts exactly

So for something to be true, it needs to be authorised by media sites like X?

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Reply #16 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:45pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:25pm:

I can't believe Trump is not doing what you guys want him to do, doesn't he know who you guys are. Does he not read Ozpolitics.

my thoughts exactly

Ozpol should impeach Trump or at least ban him.

I bet Greg has banned him on FT&R.

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Reply #17 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:47pm

this lie that trump and musk dont get along is just that

trump has a genuinely warm relationship with his kids (want to compare that to Joe).

musk is like a second son to him.

there is mutual admiration and fair enough

like trumps kids, they are all on the same page.

contrast that with the rabid hate between hilary and bernie and harris and warren and the disgusting way they backstab and fight to be dictator

trump as a dictator is a joke

the guy likes attention golf chix and being funny

hes about the best person in america to hold power.

musk likes creating successful innovative products

he wants to turn the USA swamp into someything that is successful and innovative

the majority of americans are rooting for musk and trump

a few rusted ons are not

they will easily be swept aside

they have no vioice for one thing

the media and tech companies have deserted them

they are irrelevant

as irrelevant as karmal gweg and smith

nobody is listening

who is even in charge of the democrat party Grin

marla

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Re: Musk Effectively A US ‘Prime Minister’
Reply #18 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:49pm

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:25pm:

I can't believe Trump is not doing what you guys want him to do, doesn't he know who you guys are. Does he not read Ozpolitics.

my thoughts exactly

Ozpol should impeach Trump or at least ban him.

Have you lived your life believing you're a nobody?

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Reply #19 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:53pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:47pm:

this lie that trump and musk dont get along is just that

trump has a genuinely warm relationship with his kids (want to compare that to Joe).

musk is like a second son to him.

there is mutual admiration and fair enough

like trumps kids, they are all on the same page.

And you know all this because.... you pulled it out of your arse?

Errol Musk told an interviewer that Elon was a poor father... Dumped them off with nannies while he focussed on himself.

The Musk family is massively influential and his father revealed that Netanyahu (an old Musk family friend) told Errol that Elon is the 'real' president of the US.

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Re: Musk Effectively A US ‘Prime Minister’
Reply #20 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:53pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:49pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:25pm:

I can't believe Trump is not doing what you guys want him to do, doesn't he know who you guys are. Does he not read Ozpolitics.

my thoughts exactly

Ozpol should impeach Trump or at least ban him.

Have you lived your life believing you're a nobody?

Yes, I could spend all day moaning about Trump and at the end of the day no one even cares.

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Reply #21 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:56pm

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:49pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:45pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:40pm:

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:25pm:

I can't believe Trump is not doing what you guys want him to do, doesn't he know who you guys are. Does he not read Ozpolitics.

my thoughts exactly

Ozpol should impeach Trump or at least ban him.

Have you lived your life believing you're a nobody?

Yes, I could spend all day moaning about Trump and at the end of the day no one even cares.

Yep... I guessed that...

No opinions you have that you believe enough to express them, then.

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Reply #22 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:59pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:15pm:

Musk is effectively in charge of the US government, acting in every respect as a head of government - a Prime Minister, with his supporter – Trump - as head of state.

Nonsense.

In the American system, dating to the 18th century, the head of state and head of government is combined in one office, the prez. They still have legislative and the judiciary separate from the executive. They still have different states, each with its own separations of powers.

They didn't want to replicate the Westminster system where the head of state is separate from the head of government.

The French adopted, eventually, something closer to the US system than to Westminster.

Musk is just cleaning out the Aegean Stables that is the Bureocracy, under instruction from the guv.

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Reply #23 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:03pm

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:15pm:

Musk is effectively in charge of the US government, acting in every respect as a head of government - a Prime Minister, with his supporter – Trump - as head of state.

Nonsense.

In the American system, dating to the 18th century, the head of state and head of government is combined in one office, the prez. They still have legislative and the judiciary separate from the executive. They still have different states, each with its own separations of powers.

They didn't want to replicate the Westminster system where the head of state is separate from the head of government.

The French adopted, eventually, something closer to the US system than to Westminster.

Ah yep... I think most here would know that... It's why the interviewee said Musk was effectively a 'US Prime Minister' in that he has the influence within the Whitehouse akin to that of a prime minister in a parliamentary or Westminster system.

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Reply #24 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:05pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:03pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:15pm:

Musk is effectively in charge of the US government, acting in every respect as a head of government - a Prime Minister, with his supporter – Trump - as head of state.

Nonsense.

In the American system, dating to the 18th century, the head of state and head of government is combined in one office, the prez. They still have legislative and the judiciary separate from the executive. They still have different states, each with its own separations of powers.

They didn't want to replicate the Westminster system where the head of state is separate from the head of government.

The French adopted, eventually, something closer to the US system than to Westminster.

Ah yep... I think most here would know that... It's why the interviewee said Musk was effectively a 'US Prime Minister' in that he has the influence within the Whitehouse akin to that of a prime minister in a parliamentary or Westminster system.

Exactly what powers are you talking about, can you list the powers that Musk has?.

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Reply #25 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:08pm

Leroy wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:03pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:15pm:

Musk is effectively in charge of the US government, acting in every respect as a head of government - a Prime Minister, with his supporter – Trump - as head of state.

Nonsense.

In the American system, dating to the 18th century, the head of state and head of government is combined in one office, the prez. They still have legislative and the judiciary separate from the executive. They still have different states, each with its own separations of powers.

They didn't want to replicate the Westminster system where the head of state is separate from the head of government.

The French adopted, eventually, something closer to the US system than to Westminster.

Ah yep... I think most here would know that... It's why the interviewee said Musk was effectively a 'US Prime Minister' in that he has the influence within the Whitehouse akin to that of a prime minister in a parliamentary or Westminster system.

Exactly what powers are you talking about, can you list the powers that Musk has?.

You could try watching the clip I posted... the interviewee suggested that Musk's influence within the Whitehouse was so great., that he has eclipsed the Chief of Staff in setting the administration's agenda.

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Reply #26 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:16pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:03pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:15pm:

Musk is effectively in charge of the US government, acting in every respect as a head of government - a Prime Minister, with his supporter – Trump - as head of state.

Nonsense.

In the American system, dating to the 18th century, the head of state and head of government is combined in one office, the prez. They still have legislative and the judiciary separate from the executive. They still have different states, each with its own separations of powers.

They didn't want to replicate the Westminster system where the head of state is separate from the head of government.

The French adopted, eventually, something closer to the US system than to Westminster.

Ah yep... I think most here would know that... It's why the interviewee said Musk was effectively a 'US Prime Minister' in that he has the influence within the Whitehouse akin to that of a prime minister in a parliamentary or Westminster system.

He is more like a Productivity Commissioner or Auditor.
He is advising departments on waste and corrupt expenditure. Departments and agencies are acting on his advice. He appoints no ministers ( secretaries of department) or heads of statutory agencies and does not sign off on any spending or non-spending.
He just knows where to look for waste, together with Trump appointed heads of departments.

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Reply #27 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:17pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:08pm:

You could try watching the clip I posted... the interviewee suggested that Musk's influence within the Whitehouse was so great., that he has eclipsed the Chief of Staff in setting the administration's agenda.

But you did say " It's why the interviewee said Musk was effectively a 'US Prime Minister' in that he has the influence within the Whitehouse"

So the interviewee was only suggesting, you have taken that suggestion and made it true.

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Reply #28 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:17pm

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:03pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 2:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:15pm:

Musk is effectively in charge of the US government, acting in every respect as a head of government - a Prime Minister, with his supporter – Trump - as head of state.

Nonsense.

In the American system, dating to the 18th century, the head of state and head of government is combined in one office, the prez. They still have legislative and the judiciary separate from the executive. They still have different states, each with its own separations of powers.

They didn't want to replicate the Westminster system where the head of state is separate from the head of government.

The French adopted, eventually, something closer to the US system than to Westminster.

Ah yep... I think most here would know that... It's why the interviewee said Musk was effectively a 'US Prime Minister' in that he has the influence within the Whitehouse akin to that of a prime minister in a parliamentary or Westminster system.

He is more like a Productivity Commissioner or Auditor.
He is advising departments on waste and corrupt expenditure. Departments and agencies are acting on his advice. He appoints no ministers ( secretaries of department) or heads of statutory agencies and does not sign off on any spending or non-spending.
He just knows where to look for waste, together with Trump appointed heads of departments.

Is he?

How's his relationship with Susie Wiles, Chief of Staff, going?

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Reply #29 - Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 1:15pm:

Musk is effectively in charge of the US government, acting in every respect as a head of government - a Prime Minister, with his supporter – Trump - as head of state.

Susie Wiles has effectively lost control in her role as Chief of Staff with the Whitehouse revolving around what Musk wants done.

If and when Trump attempts to extricate himself from Musk, he will find he will be up against a power force whose reach is almost limitless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9h7QbwPjaw

I don't think Rick Wilson understands the Westminster system. To say Musk is like a PM is just silly.

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