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Average speed cameras to expand coverage
Feb 26^th, 2025 at 3:36pm

https://au.news.yahoo.com/major-change-to-speed-cameras-for-millions-as-drivers-...

"As the number of people killed on Australian roads continues to rise at an alarming pace, authorities across the country are trialling new methods they hope will reduce accidents and increase safety.

In NSW, average speed cameras have been trialled to monitor the speed of heavy vehicles. These cameras calculate a vehicle’s average speed over a monitored road section rather than capturing speed at a single point.

The system works by recording a vehicle’s entry and exit times at two points, then calculating whether the average speed exceeds the limit. If it does, drivers receive fines and demerit points. While the scheme currently only targets heavy vehicles, it was announced last year that in 2025 the trial will expand to include all vehicles. Though no solid date was revealed at the time, the state government said it'll likely commence in "mid-2025".

This week, a Transport for NSW (TfNSW) spokesperson told Yahoo News Australia the program is still on the radar, but an "exact date" is still being finalised.

In October, NSW Minister for Roads John Graham said the technology has been "found to be effective" in other states — and in the UK, Norway, Italy and the Netherlands.

"This is the right time to investigate whether lives can be saved by the use of average speed cameras for all vehicles, not only trucks," he told media.

"It is our responsibility to properly evaluate whether they are effective in preventing another family and another friendship circle from being devastated — which is the sad result every time someone dies on NSW roads."

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Won't worry me - I cruise control at the posted limit ... you'd have to be going pretty flat chat to not make the grade given road and traffic conditions generally.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107388 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Average speed cameras to expand coverage Reply #1 - Feb 26^th, 2025 at 3:39pm No problem in Melbourne - the traffic is bumper to bumper all day - it hardly moves.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140073 Gender:	Re: Average speed cameras to expand coverage Reply #2 - Feb 26^th, 2025 at 3:51pm I've discovered a way to get out of paying speeding fines. I don't speed.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85587 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Average speed cameras to expand coverage Reply #3 - Feb 26^th, 2025 at 3:52pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2025 at 3:39pm: No problem in Melbourne - the traffic is bumper to bumper all day - it hardly moves. Got a 60 zone here that makes 30 sometimes and 40 at others... if they put in a 50 sign you'd need to point a gun at them to make them go faster.
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Reply #4 - Feb 26^th, 2025 at 6:31pm

Mount Victoria in NSW has had these average speed cameras for a few years.

It's steep downhill with 60 kph limit even in low gear you still need to ride brakes all the way down.

It's revenue raising motorists are a cash cow for governments who need extra money to make up for all the taxpayers money they piss away like drunken sailors.

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Reply #5 - Feb 26^th, 2025 at 6:32pm

More police cars travelling up and down the roads has been proven, time and time again to deter speeding, but speeding fines fill the Government coffers, so nothing positive will be done about it.

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The NSW Government collected. .
‘’ Data from Revenue NSW2 indicates that there were over 1.4 million speeding offences between July 2021 and June 2022, bringing in more than $ 291 million to the NSW Government. This is an increase of around 40% on the same time, the previous year.’’

Now if being a bit over the limit is as dangerous as the Government would have us believe then the road toll should be horrendous.

Many speed ilmits are rubbish.
There is a street in Inverell, NSW, a residential street, where the speed limit is 70 kph because it is a bypass for heavy vehicles.
The New England Highway between Glen Innes and Armidale has at least two blind corners with included crests and the road markings are an interruped centre line and no signs, and it’s been that way for years because the Government doesn’t care two hoots about road accidents all it’s interested in is themoney it can extract from the motorists

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49959 Gender:	Re: Average speed cameras to expand coverage Reply #6 - Feb 26^th, 2025 at 6:50pm I can at least say I chased a cop car doing 150kmphr and eventually managed to pull him over. I asked him a few questions before he went on his way. Just one of those moments in life.
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2351 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: Average speed cameras to expand coverage Reply #7 - Feb 27^th, 2025 at 10:11am The Government does do some things for road safety. A road that I frequently travel has signs that say “WILD ANIMALS NEXT 2.5 KILOMETRES “ These would help if the ‘roos etc could read, however they can’t and keep getting killed outside the designated area.
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Reply #8 - Feb 27^th, 2025 at 7:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2025 at 3:39pm:

No problem in Melbourne -

the traffic is bumper to bumper all day - it hardly moves.

Scomo is on record as saying the Gold Coast is a thirty minute city!

His right!

That’s how long it takes to find somewhere to park after being stuck in traffic for a hour to travel 20 k

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Reply #9 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 10:42am

And just remember the cameras [A] don’t stop the speedsters they record the event to collect money and by the time that the letter is sent, the speedster and a few of his victims may be dead, whereas a police car[B] on the road could have deterred the speeding in the first place.

But A = $ collected and B = $ spent.

Which one has Government favour?

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Reply #10 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 2:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 26^th, 2025 at 6:31pm:

Mount Victoria in NSW has had these average speed cameras for a few years.

It's steep downhill with 60 kph limit even in low gear you still need to ride brakes all the way down.

It's revenue raising motorists are a cash cow for governments who need extra money to make up for all the taxpayers money they piss away like drunken sailors.

Yes - that's a bad idea one.... stupid.

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Reply #11 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 2:41pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 10:11am:

The Government does do some things for road safety.
A road that I frequently travel has signs that say
“WILD ANIMALS NEXT 2.5 KILOMETRES “
These would help if the ‘roos etc could read, however they can’t and keep getting killed outside the designated area.

Koalas Cross At Night... cranky little buggars - imagining they are the famous Drop Bears... wouldn't dare show it during daylight hours.

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Reply #12 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 8:34pm

Back in my days of driving vintage English sports cars we used to pass the then modern cars [1960s],going down Mt. Victoria, stay in 3rd gear and use the driving brake [hand brake] saving the 4 wheel foot brake for its intended emergency use

I once drove from Lidcombe to Bathurst at an average speed of 67.2 mph, that’s just over 108 kph, in a 1926 Alvis Super Sports, and I observed all the posted speed limits, except the maximum of 50mph, over that was not illegal but the onus of proof of safe driving was on the driver.
In other words one could be charged, but competence could be used to prove that it was a safe speed.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59447 Here Gender:	Re: Average speed cameras to expand coverage Reply #13 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 8:46pm Speed cameras will do what speed cameras do - raise money while having no impact on anything else. They often make an area more dangerous to drive not less.
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Reply #14 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 8:48pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 2:41pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2025 at 10:11am:

The Government does do some things for road safety.
A road that I frequently travel has signs that say
“WILD ANIMALS NEXT 2.5 KILOMETRES “
These would help if the ‘roos etc could read, however they can’t and keep getting killed outside the designated area.

Koalas Cross At Night... cranky little buggars - imagining they are the famous Drop Bears... wouldn't dare show it during daylight hours.

They certainly can be cranky, I once wrapped a bandage around the arm of a bloke that was annoying one of them.
They have great claws and he had 6 inch gashes, wrapped him up and sent him straight to hospital.

As an aside, never clean such wounds, wrap a rough bandage around using any reasonably clean cloth and let the experts do the clean up.
Hospitals appreciate this as no matter how clean the wounds are on arrival the hospital will have to clean them anyway.

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