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Reply #75 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 11:14am
 

我們發送了無線電訊息,但澳洲海軍並不知道
'we sent a radio message and the Australian navy didn't know'.
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Reply #76 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 11:51am
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm:
My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen.

Answer no.

But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast.

Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them.

What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew.

China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies.

Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests ....

why the hell are you even living here.


Like you, I am an Australian Citizen. I have a chance at Freedom of Speech and Thought, just as you do.  What makes you right and me wrong?  Nothing.  My thoughts are founded on extensive study and learning of strategic thought.  I do not believe that Australia should act irresponsibly and be provoking a conflict with the PLAN, unlike it seems you.  I believe we should avoid war at all costs because I do not believe in the unnecessary sacrifice of Australian lives.  Australia has a reputation of fairness and strategic might when it is required.  If we go to war we usually have good reasons for doing so.  You OTOH are running round like a chook with it's head cut off, panicking at every opportunity.  As I've said, the PLAN has basically done nothing wrong except lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise.  It's live fire exercise has just disrupted a few international flights, thats all.  We have reacted responsibly.  Our strategic plans do not cover the east coast as much as the north-west coast.  We have JINDALEE the most advanced over-the-horizon radar, we have Poseidon aircraft and we have NORFORCE.  We could have more but what we have is adequate.  The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #77 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 12:44pm
 
Australia was at fault for pushing Russia into invading Ukraine. China's 9 Dash line was caused by Australia selling lobsters to Shanghai cafes.
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Reply #78 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 3:03pm
 
Chinese DRONE spotted on the Aust & PNG border.

Al'baloney says it was ok as it was between the posts.
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Reply #79 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 3:14pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2025 at 3:37pm:


The twillight zone of graps mind; he thinks 'democracy is freedom', when the REAL basis of freedom is common prosperity.

Hence the increasing number of home invasions, and attacks on police and security guards ("freedom") , in a cost of living crisis leading to social breakdown as lower socio-economic families crumble under the economic pressures. 



   
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Reply #80 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 3:25pm
 
Dollar, wealth, prosperity, cash, rich and loaded have meanings. Freedom has a meaning. And many other words have meanings. It's useful for talking to humans, people, persons, guys and consumers.
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Reply #81 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 4:51pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 3:14pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2025 at 3:37pm:


The twillight zone of graps mind; he thinks 'democracy is freedom', when the REAL basis of freedom is common prosperity.

Hence the increasing number of home invasions, and attacks on police and security guards ("freedom") , in a cost of living crisis leading to social breakdown as lower socio-economic families crumble under the economic pressures. 



   



Some say TGD that Australians are a nation of Convicts with no Freedom under British rule.

...then there are the Americans who have too much Freedom to commit as many crimes as they like.

Makes one wonder who is committing the crimes here, eh?
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Reply #82 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 6:45pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 3:14pm:
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Mar 2nd, 2025 at 3:37pm:


The twillight zone of graps mind; he thinks 'democracy is freedom', when the REAL basis of freedom is common prosperity.

Hence the increasing number of home invasions, and attacks on police and security guards ("freedom") , in a cost of living crisis leading to social breakdown as lower socio-economic families crumble under the economic pressures. 
   


You are a confused bunny, aren't you?  I do not even discuss Democracy - I say 'our form of democracy' - there are many forms - and the one continuous issue that is raised in all my learned postings is how dreadfully flawed ours is.... I don't have time to cover the ills of all the rest while draining the swamps here...

Now then - how do YOU see personal sovereignty, agency, etc and personal choice fitting in with OUR democracy....
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Reply #83 - Mar 5th, 2025 at 9:22am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 11:51am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm:
My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen.

Answer no.

But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast.

Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them.

What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew.

China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies.

Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests ....

why the hell are you even living here.


Like you, I am an Australian Citizen. I have a chance at Freedom of Speech and Thought, just as you do.  What makes you right and me wrong?  Nothing.  My thoughts are founded on extensive study and learning of strategic thought.  I do not believe that Australia should act irresponsibly and be provoking a conflict with the PLAN, unlike it seems you.  I believe we should avoid war at all costs because I do not believe in the unnecessary sacrifice of Australian lives.  Australia has a reputation of fairness and strategic might when it is required.  If we go to war we usually have good reasons for doing so.  You OTOH are running round like a chook with it's head cut off, panicking at every opportunity.  As I've said, the PLAN has basically done nothing wrong except lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise.  It's live fire exercise has just disrupted a few international flights, thats all.  We have reacted responsibly.  Our strategic plans do not cover the east coast as much as the north-west coast.  We have JINDALEE the most advanced over-the-horizon radar, we have Poseidon aircraft and we have NORFORCE.  We could have more but what we have is adequate.  The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


So Albo does nuffin' when international shipping is threatened. "Too far".

Albo does nuffin' when the Chinese navy sails around Australia, conducting live fire exercises. Nuffin' to see here.

Promises statehood to Hamas as forward for Oct 7. "Penny Dreadful told me to."

But Albo is considering sending Australian troops to the Ukraine.


The kind of Bbwianesque "strategic thought" that has earned you the  sobriquet of "spineless apologist cockwomble".

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Reply #84 - Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:27am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 9:22am:
Albo does nuffin' when the Chinese navy sails around Australia, conducting live fire exercises. Nuffin' to see here.


thats right nothing to see here .. we do live fire exercises with the US in international waters off chinas coast, back then your ilk cried that they could bugger off as it was international waters. ... You can stop screeching now.
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Reply #85 - Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:28am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:41am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am:
But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast.



what makes you think they didn't?  Cheesy Cheesy



Grin You asleep at the wheel?

Just like our Prime Minister & ADF leaders?
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Reply #86 - Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:34am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:50am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm:
My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen.

Answer no.

But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast.

Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them.

What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew.

China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies.

Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests ....

why the hell are you even living here.






But Gnads, you have to be realistic.  We were barely able to keep a track of all the Asylum and fishing boats from Indonesia, over a smaller (but still very large) body of water.   

Of course, in this case, we know where they are.  But if they did not notify the government in advance that there is going to be live fire exercise, how would anyone else know?   Its not like we have a hidden camera or a microphone in their control rooms. 


Ridiculous comparisons.

We need the Defence budget lifted so we can monitor our whole coastline.

And our inability to even successfully monitor illegal fishing vessels and people smugglers from Indonesia should be rectified ASAP.

That's the reason why they and now the Chinese treat us as joke .... and continue doing whatever they want.

Do you feel protected as an Australian?

I certainly don't.

We can't even protect our citizens from our own & imported criminals.
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Reply #87 - Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:45am
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:34am:
tickleandrose wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:50am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm:
My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen.

Answer no.

But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast.

Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them.

What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew.

China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies.

Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests ....

why the hell are you even living here.






But Gnads, you have to be realistic.  We were barely able to keep a track of all the Asylum and fishing boats from Indonesia, over a smaller (but still very large) body of water.   

Of course, in this case, we know where they are.  But if they did not notify the government in advance that there is going to be live fire exercise, how would anyone else know?   Its not like we have a hidden camera or a microphone in their control rooms. 


Ridiculous comparisons.

We need the Defence budget lifted so we can monitor our whole coastline.

And our inability to even successfully monitor illegal fishing vessels and people smugglers from Indonesia should be rectified ASAP.

That's the reason why they and now the Chinese treat us as joke .... and continue doing whatever they want.

Do you feel protected as an Australian?

I certainly don't.

We can't even protect our citizens from our own & imported criminals.


And here is the dilemma.  In order for us to increase our defence spending to 3% or more of our GDP, we would have to fork out a lot of money, but where would those money come from? 

1.  We are exporting most of our stuff to China, however, as the trade war intensifies between China and USA.  We are caught in the cross fire.   We’ve tried to open other markets, but this would take decades of talks and agreements. 
2. We cancel AUKUS - but then, the USA will get angry especially under Trump, and who knows what sort of trade punishment he would dish our way if we do this.    If we stay with AUKUS - the price of the subs will surely increase under Trump in the near future.  We will be taking on more debts for the same stuff - delivered or not.    Remember 300 billion dollars is the current mineral wealth that Trump is after in Ukraine.
3. We reduce pension, medicare, social services.   But this would be political suicide, as we are heading into an ageing crisis.    Most voters will be older, and will have a big say.
4. We increase taxes -income or GST.   That would be a suicide pill for any political party. 

So as you see, we are in a fairly difficult situation right now.   There are always ‘good to have’,s and try to ‘stand on own feet.’s.   But it’s easier said than done.
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Reply #88 - Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:56am
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 5th, 2025 at 10:28am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:41am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am:
But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast.



what makes you think they didn't?  Cheesy Cheesy



Grin You asleep at the wheel?

Just like our Prime Minister & ADF leaders?


i doubt those that surveil our waters run to the pm every time a ship enters international waters  Cheesy
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Reply #89 - Mar 5th, 2025 at 11:07am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 11:51am:
Gnads wrote on Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:08am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:39pm:
My question, exactly what did you want the Government to do to the PLAN Task Force?  Sink it? What effect did it sailing around Australia actually have on Australia?  Anything at all?  All the PLAN has demonstrated is that it can support two warships on a long range expedition.  Nothing more.  They have disrupted a few flights to and from New Zealand and that is about all.  They have exercised their right to Freedom of Seas Navigation.  Nothing more.  They have done exactly what we have done in the South China Sea.  This is all a non-event.  It has got you lot into a brouhaha over basically nothing.  The Australian Government has reacted responsibly and sensibly.  Far more sensibly than most of you lot have.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You really are a stupid old girly skirt Drama Queen.

Answer no.

But our ADF should - at all times have surveillance & monitoring capability of foreign warships off our Coast.

Just like China would - and if anyone was going to sink something it would be them.

What they did with that Chinese fighter jet firing anti missile flares at/in front our surveillance plane over the Sth China Sea a fortnight ago could have bought it down & killed the crew.

China maybe a trading partner but they are not our Allies.

Marvellous how you defend or play down the actions of every country and group against Australia, Australians and its/their interests ....

why the hell are you even living here.


Like you, I am an Australian Citizen. I have a chance at Freedom of Speech and Thought, just as you do.  What makes you right and me wrong?  Nothing.  My thoughts are founded on extensive study and learning of strategic thought.  I do not believe that Australia should act irresponsibly and be provoking a conflict with the PLAN, unlike it seems you.  I believe we should avoid war at all costs because I do not believe in the unnecessary sacrifice of Australian lives.  Australia has a reputation of fairness and strategic might when it is required.  If we go to war we usually have good reasons for doing so.  You OTOH are running round like a chook with it's head cut off, panicking at every opportunity.  As I've said, the PLAN has basically done nothing wrong except lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise.  It's live fire exercise has just disrupted a few international flights, thats all.  We have reacted responsibly.  Our strategic plans do not cover the east coast as much as the north-west coast.  We have JINDALEE the most advanced over-the-horizon radar, we have Poseidon aircraft and we have NORFORCE.  We could have more but what we have is adequate.  The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


1. You believe whatever Bwyan - you're views on my views are assumptive BS.

2. I did not suggest Australia should "provoke" PLAN - more assumptive BS - not strategic thought.

3. More BS.

4."lacking forethought and apparently not being willing to alert us to it's live fire exercise". So why was that diplomatic courtesy given to PNG 2 weeks earlier when no live firing was going to occur in their waters?

It seems that the whole exercise was deliberate as a muscle flexor to make a point ... a provocation as it were.

Never mind you failing to accept the deliberate provocation a fortnight ago when the Chinese fighter fired it's anti missile flares at our Orion Surveillance plane in International Airspace over the Sth China sea.
They lied accusing Australia of being in Chinese air space.

Do you see how one sided their actions and your excuse making for them are? ... never mind you defending our lack of monitoring capability off our coast line.

5. They had no right to be disrupting International Flights out of Australia because of their lack of diplomacy and consideration.
Imagine the shoe on the other foot. Roll Eyes

6. JINDALEE & NORFORCE weren't worth 2 knobs of goat poo in this instance.

7. Of the 12 P-8A Poseidon aircraft the RAAF has how many were operational?
None of them were tracking/observing these PLAN vessels. We had to rely commercial airlines to advise on their live firing exercise.

8."The PLAN has proved they can push two ships a long way from China".

Yes and what should that tell you abut our defense and reaction capabilities being inadequate? Tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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