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Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:08am

Jump to 2:12:00 the deal has fallen apart big argument with Zelensky.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-zelensky-news-02-28-25/index.ht...

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky left the White House just moments ago after a shouting match with President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance in front of the media in the Oval Office.

He departed without signing the minerals deal and without holding the joint news conference with Trump, as was earlier planned.

He did not speak to the media before departing in his motorcade.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107388 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #1 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:25am
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Reply #2 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:41am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:25am:

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What DL's ghostwriter means: Zalensky can come back when he's ready to cave to Putin.

Also, he'll have to say thanks again to JD Vance, who I'm betting wrote this.

There goes Day One, eh?

Better luck next war, Bobby.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107388 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #3 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:42am It doesn't make any sense to me. The agreement should have been accepted behind the scenes and it should be just a ceremony to sign it.
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Reply #4 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:57am

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:41am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:25am:

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What DL's ghostwriter means: Zalensky can come back when he's ready to cave to Putin.

Also, he'll have to say thanks again to JD Vance, who I'm betting wrote this.

There goes Day One, eh?

Better luck next war, Bobby.

Zelensky has embarrassed Trump in front of the whole world.

Trump's ego has taken a pounding.
What will the big guy do now?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107388 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #5 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:27am It sounds like the deal was too much at once. The deal should have been about only a cease fire – that's it. After 6 months of a cease fire, trust could be built up enough to sign a more comprehensive deal.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13479 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #6 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:30am Europe needs to find a way to up the ante and influence the US economy. Zelensky must not sign the resources deal. As for JD Vance consoling Trump... that's his one-way ticket back to sisterf~ck Appalachia.
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Reply #7 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:31am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:42am:

It doesn't make any sense to me.

The agreement should have been accepted behind the scenes
and it should be just a ceremony to sign it.

DL decided to do it the other way around. Art of the Deal, innit.

Now Ukraine's out, the US can go back to more endless wars and bring Vlad back in from the cold.

This is what Stephen Covey would call a "win-win".

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Reply #8 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:34am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:30am:

Europe needs to find a way to up the ante and influence the US economy.

Zelensky must not sign the resources deal.

As for JD Vance consoling Trump... that's his one-way ticket back to sisterf~ck Appalachia.

Gotta love JD's negotiating tactics. So, did you say thank you?

Plenty of times.

Yes, but to DL? How rude.

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Reply #9 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:42am

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:42am:

It doesn't make any sense to me.

The agreement should have been accepted behind the scenes
and it should be just a ceremony to sign it.

DL decided to do it the other way around. Art of the Deal, innit.

Now Ukraine's out, the US can go back to more endless wars and bring Vlad back in from the cold.

This is what Stephen Covey would call a "win-win".

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Reply #10 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:47am

It is really hard to watch and hard to believe it actually happened in the Oval Office. It just beggars belief and you have to wonder in what alternate reality Trump and Vance are living. None of what they said was true. Not one thing. Trump and Vance were massively disrespectful to Zelenskyy, trying to change the facts to suit their warped sense of reality and attacking the President of Ukraine for standing up for his country and his people. It was a shameful display by Trump and Vance. Absolutely appalling behaviour from those two.

Zelenskyy needs to now freeze the US out of any further negotiations with Russia and instead seek a peace deal that involves Europe and European leaders from France, the UK, Germany and Italy. This is a problem that affects Europe and Trump has said so himself, that America is not affected by this war by Russia. It affects security in Europe and it must be solved by Europe. Trump is clearly too mentally unstable to negotiate any kind of deal and must be frozen out of this and Zelenskyy should call a press conference saying exactly this.

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Reply #11 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:48am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:47am:

It is really hard to watch and hard to believe it actually happened in the Oval Office. It just beggars belief and you have to wonder in what alternate reality Trump and Vance are living. None of what they said was true. Not one thing. Trump and Vance were massively disrespectful to Zelenskyy, trying to change the facts to suit their warped sense of reality and attacking the President of Ukraine for standing up for his country and his people. It was a shameful display by Trump and Vance. Absolutely appalling behaviour from those two.

Zelenskyy needs to now freeze the US out of any further negotiations with Russia and instead seek a peace deal that involves Europe and European leaders from France, the UK, Germany and Italy. This is a problem that affects Europe and Trump has said so himself, that America is not affected by this war by Russia. It affects security in Europe and it must be solved by Europe. Trump is clearly too mentally unstable to negotiate any kind of deal and must be frozen out of this and Zelenskyy should call a press conference saying exactly this.

Ukraine is losing -
they have lost maybe half a million people and many cities are demolished -
like Mariupol.
If it goes on more people will die and maybe the whole of Ukraine will be demolished.
It could also lead to WW3 – a nuclear war where we all die.
Does Zelensky care about us or even his own people?

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Reply #12 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:56am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:48am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:47am:

It is really hard to watch and hard to believe it actually happened in the Oval Office. It just beggars belief and you have to wonder in what alternate reality Trump and Vance are living. None of what they said was true. Not one thing. Trump and Vance were massively disrespectful to Zelenskyy, trying to change the facts to suit their warped sense of reality and attacking the President of Ukraine for standing up for his country and his people. It was a shameful display by Trump and Vance. Absolutely appalling behaviour from those two.

Zelenskyy needs to now freeze the US out of any further negotiations with Russia and instead seek a peace deal that involves Europe and European leaders from France, the UK, Germany and Italy. This is a problem that affects Europe and Trump has said so himself, that America is not affected by this war by Russia. It affects security in Europe and it must be solved by Europe. Trump is clearly too mentally unstable to negotiate any kind of deal and must be frozen out of this and Zelenskyy should call a press conference saying exactly this.

Ukraine is losing -
they have lost maybe half a million people and many cities are demolished -
like Mariupol.
If it goes on more people will die and maybe the whole of Ukraine will be demolished.
It could also lead to WW3 – a nuclear war where we all die.
Does Zelensky care about us or even his own people?

Of course Ukraine is losing. They're a much smaller military but they've done an astonishing job of defending their country. But here's the thing that Trump - and apparently you also - seem to have forgotten. Zelenskyy didn't start this war. He's doing the best he can to defend his country. That's what any reasonable person would expect from a democratically elected leader of a country invaded by a dictator. I would expect nothing less from Albanese if Australia was invaded by an aggressor. All that Trump cares about is getting a peace deal so he can look good.

Trump doesn't care how he gets a peace deal or what Ukraine must give up. So far, his statements would have Ukraine making all the concessions while Russia makes very few if any at all. He just wants the image of him negotiating a deal for peace and doesn't care what that deal looks like or how bad it is for Ukraine. It's all about Trump, the narcissist. He is literally parroting Putin now. He calls Zelenskyy a dictator but refuses to call Putin one. He wrongly blames Ukraine for starting this war when they are the victim. Anyone with a brain knows Ukraine didn't start this war.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49959 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #13 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:58am Zelensky is like a spoiled movie star.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13479 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #14 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:04am Yankism is a prostitute culture, as was evidenced by the hyenas in the Yankist cabinet assuming the position for Musk, led by the Yankist dumbcunt in chief. Europe, Canada and Mexico need to walk away from Yankist America until the stench leaves the White House and focus on disadvantaging the Yankist economy.
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