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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #15 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:06am

Donny and JD represent the American people.

A people who thanks to leftie waste have a lower standard of living then the Germans. French. Swiss. Austrians. Danes and Scandinavians.

Zelensky should try being a taker from his affluent neighbours.

Where did it become the responsibility of a country on the other side of the world. With 40 trillion in leftie debt to fund his war?

China has a bigger military and trillions in the bank.

Zelensky could ask them

Donny has every right to ask for minerals in return for assistance

The days of entitled little tin pot rulers asking for America to pay up are over

There is a new sheriff in town and he is cleaning up the mess that the previous demented ice cream eating hair sniffer created.

What should Donny do.

Squander another 500 billion. Another million ukranian teenagers. Leave America with no military arsenal left
Just so a guy who plays the piano with his dick can keep pouring teenagers into the meat grinder.

Thank God for common sense from the big fella.
He should think up a nickname for zelensky

Someone entitled who acts like a brat.

Maybe. JOFFREY From GOT

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #16 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:07am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:56am:

Of course Ukraine is losing. They're a much smaller military but they've done an astonishing job of defending their country. But here's the thing that Trump - and apparently you also - seem to have forgotten. Zelenskyy didn't start this war. He's doing the best he can to defend his country. That's what any reasonable person would expect from a democratically elected leader of a country invaded by a dictator. I would expect nothing less from Albanese if Australia was invaded by an aggressor. All that Trump cares about is getting a peace deal so he can look good.

Trump doesn't care how he gets a peace deal or what Ukraine must give up. So far, his statements would have Ukraine making all the concessions while Russia makes very few if any at all. He just wants the image of him negotiating a deal for peace and doesn't care what that deal looks like or how bad it is for Ukraine. It's all about Trump, the narcissist. He is literally parroting Putin now. He calls Zelenskyy a dictator but refuses to call Putin one. He wrongly blames Ukraine for starting this war when they are the victim. Anyone with a brain knows Ukraine didn't start this war.

So do you believe that we should risk the whole world being destroyed in WW3 - a nuclear war -
over some territories that 3 years ago hardly anyone had ever heard of?

During the cold war we contained the Soviet Union and avoided WW3.
It meant that many countries in Europe were enslaved but at least we're still alive.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #17 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:09am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:06am:

Donny and JD represent the American people.

A people who thanks to leftie waste have a lower standard of living then the Germans. French. Swiss. Austrians. Danes and Scandinavians.

Zelensky should try being a taker from his affluent neighbours.

Where did it become the responsibility of a country on the other side of the world. With 40 trillion in leftie debt to fund his war?

China has a bigger military and trillions in the bank.

Zelensky could ask them

Donny has every right to ask for minerals in return for assistance

The days of entitled little tin pot rulers asking for America to pay up are over

There is a new sheriff in town and he is cleaning up the mess that the previous demented ice cream eating hair sniffer created.

What should Donny do.

Squander another 500 billion. Another million ukranian teenagers. Leave America with no military arsenal left
Just so a guy who plays the piano with his dick can keep pouring teenagers into the meat grinder.

Thank God for common sense from the big fella.
He should think up a nickname for zelensky

Someone entitled who acts like a brat.

Maybe. JOFFREY From GOT

Who is the tin pot ruler? You talking about Putin? Zelenskyy was democratically elected, but Putin kills or imprisons his opponents. Another $500bn? So it's gone up from $350bn now? That's not even close to the truth. The actual figure for what America has contributed is $119bn and this is actually less than what Europe as a whole has contributed to helping Ukraine defend itself from Putin. Not even close to the ridiculous $350bn that Trump pulled out of thin air. Trump is nothing more than a Putin puppet. That's all he is.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13479 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #18 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:10am Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:07am: So do you believe that we should risk the whole world being destroyed in WW3 - a nuclear war - over some territories that 3 years ago hardly anyone had ever heard of? Like Czechoslovakia, eh! The usual wank from a coward... Always WW3 if Yankists don't get money.
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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #19 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:10am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:42am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 6:31am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 5:42am:

It doesn't make any sense to me.

The agreement should have been accepted behind the scenes
and it should be just a ceremony to sign it.

DL decided to do it the other way around. Art of the Deal, innit.

Now Ukraine's out, the US can go back to more endless wars and bring Vlad back in from the cold.

This is what Stephen Covey would call a "win-win".

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We've now seen your DL's negotiating tactics first hand. Now we know why he failed negotiations with Kim and he just gives in to Vlad.

He gets bored after two minutes. He's done in five. If you haven't given up, he chucks a hissy and walks out.

Art of the Deal, innit.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #20 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:12am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:07am:

So do you believe that we should risk the whole world being destroyed in WW3 - a nuclear war -
over some territories that 3 years ago hardly anyone had ever heard of?

Like Czechoslovakia, eh!

The usual wank from a coward...

Always WW3 if Yankists don't get money.

All the world can do is contain Russia just like we contained the Soviets.
Anything else and we're all dead.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #21 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:13am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:07am:

So do you believe that we should risk the whole world being destroyed in WW3 - a nuclear war -
over some territories that 3 years ago hardly anyone had ever heard of?

Like Czechoslovakia, eh!

The usual wank from a coward...

Always WW3 if Yankists don't get money.

All the world can do is contain Russia just like we contained the Soviets.
Anything else and we're all dead.

How are Yankists containing Russia?

Face it, you're a coward.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26526 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #22 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:16am Trump would do well to heed the words of former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, when he said that "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is too weak, too in love with Putin to do this.
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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #23 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:18am

aquascoot wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:06am:

Donny and JD represent the American people.

A people who thanks to leftie waste have a lower standard of living then the Germans. French. Swiss. Austrians. Danes and Scandinavians.

Zelensky should try being a taker from his affluent neighbours.

Where did it become the responsibility of a country on the other side of the world. With 40 trillion in leftie debt to fund his war?

China has a bigger military and trillions in the bank.

Zelensky could ask them

Donny has every right to ask for minerals in return for assistance

The days of entitled little tin pot rulers asking for America to pay up are over

There is a new sheriff in town and he is cleaning up the mess that the previous demented ice cream eating hair sniffer created.

What should Donny do.

Squander another 500 billion. Another million ukranian teenagers. Leave America with no military arsenal left
Just so a guy who plays the piano with his dick can keep pouring teenagers into the meat grinder.

Thank God for common sense from the big fella.
He should think up a nickname for zelensky

Someone entitled who acts like a brat.

Maybe. JOFFREY From GOT

When the US signed a Ukraine defence treaty in 1996, dear. It's thanks to that, Ukraine hasn't blown Moscow off the map.

Literally everything in your post is wrong, as ever. Europeans have a high standard of living because they have progressive taxation. The US taxes the middle income earners and pours subsidies into the top.

Elon currently makes $8 bil off the US government - more when he's done with DOGE.

No one could watch that trainwreck of a "negotiation" and think Donny came out a champ.

Only you.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13479 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #24 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:20am Yankists don't fight real wars unless they're dragged into it. They only choose wars they think they can win, and always with countries they perceive as weak, yet they've lost nearly all of them anyway.
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Reply #25 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:28am

Trump was totally right. As was Vance.
Sure, they were hard on Zelensky, but they were fair.
Zelensky is so propaganda motivated and as you saw, it only goes so far with a USA team that deals with more in its hand of cards than just the Media. Trump is totally right. The first step is a Ceasefire and only from there can more steps be taken.
BETTER THAN NOTHING ZELENSKY, SO BE GRATEFUL INDEED.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #26 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:28am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:16am:

Trump would do well to heed the words of former US Secretary of State Dean Rusk, when he said that "appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive". Trump is too weak, too in love with Putin to do this.

Too true. Russia is laughing at the US right now. Elon's just cut the team that fights Russian hackers, can you imagine? Vlad's going to throw everything he's got into attacking the US.

First the plane crash, then the measles outbreak, next will be the new wave of Russian cyber attacks and data breaches.

Over in Ukraine, he's sending armed drones into apartment blocks to target civilians. This is the guy Trump wants to turn into a close US ally.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #27 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:29am

Jasin wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:28am:

Trump was totally right. As was Vance.
Sure, they were hard on Zelensky, but they were fair.
Zelensky is so propaganda motivated and as you saw, it only goes so far with a USA team that deals with more in its hand of cards than just the Media. Trump is totally right. The first step is a Ceasefire and only from there can more steps be taken.
BETTER THAN NOTHING ZELENSKY, SO BE GRATEFUL INDEED.

Zalensky, is it?

How can the first step be a cease fire? Ukraine's being invaded. If they stop firing, Russia takes the country.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #28 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:30am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:13am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:12am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:10am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:07am:

So do you believe that we should risk the whole world being destroyed in WW3 - a nuclear war -
over some territories that 3 years ago hardly anyone had ever heard of?

Like Czechoslovakia, eh!

The usual wank from a coward...

Always WW3 if Yankists don't get money.

All the world can do is contain Russia just like we contained the Soviets.
Anything else and we're all dead.

How are Yankists containing Russia?

Face it, you're a coward.

That's how we fought the Soviets in the Cold war -
we are still here because we contained them without it leading to a global nuclear war.
There is no other rational choice when you're dealing with an insane nuclear power like Russia.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49959 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #29 - Mar 1^st, 2025 at 7:31am How refreshing to see such FREE SPEECH in action and no 'just smile for the cameras' bullshyte.
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