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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #315 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:07am

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:01am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 7:54am:

Democratic Senator Chris Murphy said Sunday that President Donald Trump and his entire team are “pretending as if Ukraine started this war” to help align themselves with Russia.

“It is absolutely shameful what is happening right now. The White House has become an arm of the Kremlin,” Murphy told CNN’s Dana Bash on State of the Union.

“There are still facts in this world and the fact is this: Vladimir Putin is a brutal dictator. Russia started this war. And the entire pretext for that meeting yesterday was an attempt to rewrite history in order to sign a deal with Putin that hands Putin Ukraine,” Murphy said.

The Democratic senator also claimed that Trump was aligning himself with “despots all around the world because that makes it easier for him to transform America into a kleptocratic oligarchy where Elon Musk and Donald Trump rule and steal from the American people.”

Pretty much spot on by Senator Chris Murphy. One day some Repug senators might find shame overpowering their cowardice and end the Trumpy betrayal of America. Might.

He's spot on.

' ... Trump was aligning himself with “despots all around the world because that makes it easier for him to transform America into a kleptocratic oligarchy where Elon Musk and Donald Trump rule and steal from the American people.” '

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #316 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:21am

Latest news – Ukraine is ready to sign Trump's deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn5220x56pqt

Zelensky answers saying the minerals deal is ready for minister to sign.
“It is our policy to continue what happened in the past, we’re constructive,” he continues,
“if we agreed to sign the minerals deal, we’re ready to sign it.”

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 48058 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #317 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:23am LOL! What agreement? Zelenskyy should make an agreement with the EU.
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Reply #318 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:31am

'The European "Scramble for Africa" was a period of intense competition between European nations to carve up Africa for resources and control. The carving up of Africa was finalized at the Berlin Conference in 1884–1885.'

Barron Danzig Trump got the biggest slice after shouting down the losers and other dictators.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 48058 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #319 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:33am Trump? Trump is an 80yo baby, epitome of narcissism. He would be left with nothing, as the USA is finding out.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107422 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #320 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:40am Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:33am: Trump? Trump is an 80yo baby, epitome of narcissism. He would be left with nothing, as the USA is finding out. Trump is ready to do whatever Vladolf Putler tells him to do to end the war.
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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #321 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:54am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:40am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:33am:

Trump? Trump is an 80yo baby, epitome of narcissism. He would be left with nothing, as the USA is finding out.

Trump is ready to do whatever Vladolf Putler tells him to do to end the war.

Not quite right Goober.

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Trumpy is ready to do whatever Vladolf Putler tells him to do

Trumpy is a ruzzian asset. Putler likely flatters him the right way.

Trumpy has no idea. He came up with a figure of American aid to Ukraine of $US350Bn then at the meeting to bait Zelenskyy he mentioned $US500Bn.

I don’t think Trumpy really reads his briefs—bit like Tony Abbott in that and in general [lack of] intelligence.

All crap: a figure of $US150Bn is more like it. But let us look at that a bit closer. The Himars and ATACMs are brilliant. But the Abrams tanks are clapped out, need extensive work to make them battlefield ready and giving them to Ukraine saved the US government a LOT of money scrapping them.

Now, Trumpy has missed out on a supply of critical minerals for the US economy. If Trumpy makes a deal with Putler then Ukrainian drones and sabotage will end any attempt to mine Ukrainian minerals, even those under ruzzian control. With upsetting major allies and trading partners—Mexico, China, Canada, the EU, the UK and even Australia—his economy is going to face major shocks,, shocks the minerals could have cushioned the US economy.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140099 Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #322 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 10:20am
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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #323 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 10:41am

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:40am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 8:33am:

Trump? Trump is an 80yo baby, epitome of narcissism. He would be left with nothing, as the USA is finding out.

Trump is ready to do whatever Vladolf Putler tells him to do to end the war.

Not quite right Goober.

Correct version:
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Trumpy is ready to do whatever Vladolf Putler tells him to do

Trumpy is a ruzzian asset. Putler likely flatters him the right way.

Trumpy has no idea. He came up with a figure of American aid to Ukraine of $US350Bn then at the meeting to bait Zelenskyy he mentioned $US500Bn.

I don’t think Trumpy really reads his briefs—bit like Tony Abbott in that and in general [lack of] intelligence.

All crap: a figure of $US150Bn is more like it. But let us look at that a bit closer. The Himars and ATACMs are brilliant. But the Abrams tanks are clapped out, need extensive work to make them battlefield ready and giving them to Ukraine saved the US government a LOT of money scrapping them.

Now, Trumpy has missed out on a supply of critical minerals for the US economy. If Trumpy makes a deal with Putler then Ukrainian drones and sabotage will end any attempt to mine Ukrainian minerals, even those under ruzzian control. With upsetting major allies and trading partners—Mexico, China, Canada, the EU, the UK and even Australia—his economy is going to face major shocks,, shocks the minerals could have cushioned the US economy.

Do you read your posts - ever?

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #324 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 1:46pm

Democrats blamed for advising Zelensky to reject the deal:

https://nypost.com/2025/03/01/opinion/dems-lead-zelensky-ukraine-off-a-cliff-wit...

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.

He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.

Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #325 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 1:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 1:46pm:

Democrats blamed for advising Zelensky to reject the deal:

https://nypost.com/2025/03/01/opinion/dems-lead-zelensky-ukraine-off-a-cliff-wit...

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.

He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.

Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

thats a criminal offence under the logan act.

talking to a foreign leader behind the presidents back

jail time coming up for Rice at least

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107422 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #326 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 1:58pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 1:57pm: thats a criminal offence under the logan act. talking to a foreign leader behind the presidents back jail time coming up for Rice at least Traitors?
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SerialBrain9 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2719	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #327 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 2:00pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 1:58pm: aquascoot wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 1:57pm: thats a criminal offence under the logan act. talking to a foreign leader behind the presidents back jail time coming up for Rice at least Traitors? Should they get hung?
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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #328 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 2:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 1:58pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 1:57pm:

thats a criminal offence under the logan act.

talking to a foreign leader behind the presidents back

jail time coming up for Rice at least

Traitors?

it has been illegal since 1800 to talk to a foreign leader and advise them against the interests of the president

traitor and jail time coming up

donny doesnt mess around

and he controls the judiciary

imagine some german politician talking to stalin or churchill in WW2.

hanging with piano wire may be appropriate

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SerialBrain9 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2719	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #329 - Mar 3^rd, 2025 at 2:02pm Biden had the same trouble with the Ungrateful little snot nosed Zelensky - and he lost it with him.. https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1896108872168825250?s=61&t=pr9sQbfDnRXI42Hsv2j...
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