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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #376 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:50pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:16pm:

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Vice President JD Vance opens up about the heated meeting involving
President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on 'Hannity.'

I agree with Vance – that the European hearts are not in the fight.
A very costly war with no end in sight is not what anyone wants

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #377 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:29pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 12:02pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 11:59am:

I never thought I would see the day when a US President would do the bidding of a former KGB agent turned murderous despot. Sad

These are dark days.

Trump fears that there will be a nuclear war unless he can stop the fighting.

He doesn't care if Ukraine has to surrender to Putin to achieve peace.

Wrong, of course. Appeasing dictators just encourages them.

Monk,
it's all about nuclear weapons.
if Russia had no nukes -
the USA would have set up a huge operation like the 1991 Gulf war and kicked
Putin's arse out of Ukraine.

Oh god, it just doesn’t stop.

All the red lines crossed—no nukes.

No ceasefire—that just helps ruzzia.

Peace—some territory swap and the Kursk oblast important there. Maybe give ruzzia preferred access to Ukraine’s mineral wealth?

Can Putler handle peace? All those soldiers returning to civi life—there won’t be jobs for most, recipe for civil war. Can employ heaps rebuilding the industrial infrastructure destroyed by fighting in the Donbas.

No access to minerals for America. Ukraine can return the Abrams etc.

China looking on. If Putler is appeased and has a big win—China will invade Taiwan.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #378 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:41pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 9:20am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 7:26am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:58am:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:17am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:10am:

Yes

They are stupid beyond belief.

On a scale of 1 to 1000 I rated covid as a threat at a 1.

24 hrs in bed taking panadol

Nothing

On a scale of 1 to 1000 I rate the threat of nuclear war 900.

The 2 most dangerous people on the planet are vlad and Kim jong.

Both evil...granted

But do you reduce the threat by putting poo on them and painting them into a corner

That's when the snake lashes out.

You reduce risk by developing a personal relationship with them

Rocket boy is less likely to attack because he has communicated with Trump

Vlad is less likely to attack because he can get on the phone to Donald.

That's not collusion. That's classic communication and negotiation.

If the police face some madman is it better to storm the place with SWAT or send in a negotiator.

These leftie fools would call such a negotiator a coward who is colluding with the enemy

Nothing is further from the truth

He is a skilful operator using decades of experience to create de escalation and a win win

The left are so nihilistic and self loathing they would rather die then have a win

I call this. Success barriers and limiting beliefs .

It's why they suck at business and why they suck at life

I'd take a Bex, dear, but that's just me.

Vlad's already been on the phone to DL - seven times in the past three years. It resulted in DL talking like a Russian-programmed bot.

Serial knows.

Yes, Master...

Blah blah.

You have zero solutions.

Try to engage brain for 1 minute.

What do you think Harris should have done if she had won.

No deflecting now

What, signed Ukraine into NATO? How hard's that?

All DL needs to do is give the word. He could have done this on Day One.

Why do you think he hasn't?

Don't answer that.

Why didn't Biden do that.

Don't answer that

That's whatabout Biden, dear. We knew you wouldn't say.

It works every time.

But I'm curious. Why don't you just say you're in with Vlad?

Put all this silly peacenik talk aside, just own up and be straight with the leftards here.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #379 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:45pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 11:09am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 10:48am:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-pauses-military-aid-ukraine-media-report...

US pauses military aid to Ukraine, says White House

By Andrea Shalal and Jasper Ward
March 4, 202511:30 AM GMT+11Updated 9 min ago

WASHINGTON, March 3 (Reuters) -

The United States is pausing military aid to Ukraine days after U.S. President Donald Trump clashed with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the Oval Office, a White House official confirmed on Monday.

The official said the U.S. is pausing and reviewing aid to ensure it is contributing to a solution.
The pause will last until Trump determines the country's leaders demonstrate a good-faith commitment to peace, according to Bloomberg and Fox News reports.

"This is not permanent termination of aid, it's a pause," Fox News quoted a Trump administration official as saying.
Bloomberg reported that all U.S. military equipment not currently in Ukraine would be paused, including weapons in transit on aircraft and ships or waiting in transit areas in Poland.

It added that Trump ordered Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth to execute the pause.
The reports come hours after Trump told reporters at the White House that he had not discussed suspending military aid to Ukraine, but added that Zelenskiy "should be more appreciative" of Washington's support.

Nearly three years into the war, Washington has committed billions of dollars in aid for Ukraine

He does that he can kiss the rare earths goodbye.

Raw earth, dear. The big fella's big on the technical details, you know.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #380 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:16pm:

Premiered 2 hours ago

Vice President JD Vance opens up about the heated meeting involving
President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on 'Hannity.'

I agree with Vance – that the European hearts are not in the fight.
A very costly war with no end in sight is not what anyone wants

Yes, JD - there was a lack of respect and a certain amount of entitlement.

From you!

You ass-licking, eyeliner-wearing couch-

fu

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #381 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:16pm:

Premiered 2 hours ago

Vice President JD Vance opens up about the heated meeting involving
President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on 'Hannity.'

I agree with Vance – that the European hearts are not in the fight.
A very costly war with no end in sight is not what anyone wants

Yes, JD - there was a lack of respect and a certain amount of entitlement.

From you!

You ass-licking, eyeliner-wearing couch-

fu

cker.

Greggy,
stop having homosexual fantasies about other guys.

This war is all about nukes.

That is the new world we live in.
Australia would be sacrificed just like Ukraine.
It looks to me like the nuclear "haves" are going to carve
up the world from the "have nots"

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #382 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 11:14am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 10:48am:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-pauses-military-aid-ukraine-media-report...

US pauses military aid to Ukraine, says White House

By Andrea Shalal and Jasper Ward
March 4, 202511:30 AM GMT+11Updated 9 min ago

WASHINGTON, March 3 (Reuters) -

The United States is pausing military aid to Ukraine days after U.S. President Donald Trump clashed with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the Oval Office, a White House official confirmed on Monday.

The official said the U.S. is pausing and reviewing aid to ensure it is contributing to a solution.
The pause will last until Trump determines the country's leaders demonstrate a good-faith commitment to peace, according to Bloomberg and Fox News reports.

"This is not permanent termination of aid, it's a pause," Fox News quoted a Trump administration official as saying.
Bloomberg reported that all U.S. military equipment not currently in Ukraine would be paused, including weapons in transit on aircraft and ships or waiting in transit areas in Poland.

It added that Trump ordered Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth to execute the pause.
The reports come hours after Trump told reporters at the White House that he had not discussed suspending military aid to Ukraine, but added that Zelenskiy "should be more appreciative" of Washington's support.

Nearly three years into the war, Washington has committed billions of dollars in aid for Ukraine

Yes, but Karnal caused me to examine Trump's 'peacemaker' credentials; they are based, not on respect for international law (which most other leaders are bleating about, while claiming they support it), but on a position of strength - which is why Trump is cosying up to Putin, to avoid facing a powerful Russia-China axis in the future.

But the 'peacemaking' doesnt extend to the Israel-Gaza war, because Trump reckons he can offend the Arab world without serious consequences, hence Gazans are now facing a WW2-type 'Leningrad catastophe' - a war crime.

The clock to the mid-terms is clicking, can Trump keep enough Americans onside?

Excellent analysis, Great. I think you've got it.

Not sure why you'd cosy up to Vlad to be part of an axis. Vlad's the supplicant in the China alliance, the patsy.

He's not holding any cards.

I'd say DL plans an alliance with Russia/China against Europe. They're his real enemy here. JD said as much in Munich.

The rules-based order isn't cynical, it's real. It's allowed Europe and the US to experience the most peaceful and prosperous period in human history, hands down.

Sure there have been blips, but you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. China has used the post-war order to develop economically. Its entire business model requires free trade, free passage, stable currencies, but importantly, peace. China also receives beneficial trade arrangements - or did before DL got stuck in.

Siding with DL because he's easily exploited has to be the most cynical position of all. A rules based order requires standards everyone adheres to - rules. We need them. Returning to the age of imperialism is the worst possible option for global security and prosperity.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #383 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:01pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:16pm:

Premiered 2 hours ago

Vice President JD Vance opens up about the heated meeting involving
President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on 'Hannity.'

I agree with Vance – that the European hearts are not in the fight.
A very costly war with no end in sight is not what anyone wants

Yes, JD - there was a lack of respect and a certain amount of entitlement.

From you!

You ass-licking, eyeliner-wearing couch-

fu

cker.

Greggy,
stop having homosexual fantasies about other guys.

Just stating the facts, Bobbi.

Ass licker? Yep.

Eyeliner wearer? Yep

Couch-

fu

cker? You bet.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #384 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:07pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:48pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 4:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 3:16pm:

Premiered 2 hours ago

Vice President JD Vance opens up about the heated meeting involving
President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on 'Hannity.'

I agree with Vance – that the European hearts are not in the fight.
A very costly war with no end in sight is not what anyone wants

Yes, JD - there was a lack of respect and a certain amount of entitlement.

From you!

You ass-licking, eyeliner-wearing couch-

fu

cker.

Greggy,
stop having homosexual fantasies about other guys.

This war is all about nukes.

That is the new world we live in.
Australia would be sacrificed just like Ukraine.
It looks to me like the nuclear "haves" are going to carve
up the world from the "have nots"

Strange. It doesn't look like that to anybody else, Bobby. The only people using the N word are Vlad and, right on cue, your DL.

You're using Russian talking points, as you do. With 800,000 troops killed, the threat of nukes is all Vlad has left.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #385 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:36pm

Well Zelensky was always going to keep on fighting till
he ruled over the ashes of his dead citizens and cities.

The same happened in Nazi Germany.
The Germans didn't give up till 95% of their cities were demolished and millions were dead.
Same in Japan.

Sometimes it's better to cut your losses while there is still something left.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #386 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:07pm:

Strange. It doesn't look like that to anybody else, Bobby. The only people using the N word are Vlad and, right on cue, your DL.

You're using Russian talking points, as you do. With 800,000 troops killed, the threat of nukes is all Vlad has left.

Zelensky has the moral right on his side but he is losing badly.

He was never going to be given enough weapons to kick the Russians out
due to fear of a nuclear war – Biden said as much -
he wouldn't even create a no-fly zone.
The war was lost after the first 2 months back in 2022.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #387 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Well Zelensky was always going to keep on fighting till
he ruled over the ashes of his dead citizens and cities.

The same happened in Nazi Germany.
The Germans didn't give up till 95% of their cities were demolished and millions were dead.
Same in Japan.

Sometimes it's better to cut your losses while there is still something left.

What do you mean by cut your losses?

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #388 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:43pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Well Zelensky was always going to keep on fighting till
he ruled over the ashes of his dead citizens and cities.

The same happened in Nazi Germany.
The Germans didn't give up till 95% of their cities were demolished and millions were dead.
Same in Japan.

Sometimes it's better to cut your losses while there is still something left.

What do you mean by cut your losses?

Give up territory to save the rest of your country and
to save the whole world from a global nuclear war.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #389 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Well Zelensky was always going to keep on fighting till
he ruled over the ashes of his dead citizens and cities.

The same happened in Nazi Germany.
The Germans didn't give up till 95% of their cities were demolished and millions were dead.
Same in Japan.

Sometimes it's better to cut your losses while there is still something left.

What do you mean by cut your losses?

Give up territory to save the rest of your country and
to save the whole world from a global nuclear war.

What, give up territory full of North Korean soldiers targeting your civilian population with Iranian drones?

How does this save anybody from WWIII?

Talk us through this one, Bobby. We'll see where you end up.

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