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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #390 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:07pm:

Strange. It doesn't look like that to anybody else, Bobby. The only people using the N word are Vlad and, right on cue, your DL.

You're using Russian talking points, as you do. With 800,000 troops killed, the threat of nukes is all Vlad has left.

Zelensky has the moral right on his side but he is losing badly.

He was never going to be given enough weapons to kick the Russians out
due to fear of a nuclear war – Biden said as much -
he wouldn't even create a no-fly zone.
The war was lost after the first 2 months back in 2022.

Something tells me bobby is only reading from TASS.

Russia is sending soldiers on crutches back to the front, using donkeys ,camels and private cars as troop transports as they run out of vehicles .

Word is that russia will run out of T70 tanks by april, the black sea fleet have all but given up and gone into hiding.
Things dont look good for the russians in crimea at the moment, looks like they are packing up and preparing to leave.

With the right support, Ukraine can turn the russians back , I wonder how vlad will handle a loss?

Standard response threaten nukes maybe?

Even he must know that if he uses nukes, russia only has around 11 minutes left on this earth if vlad sends up nukes.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #391 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:00pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Well Zelensky was always going to keep on fighting till
he ruled over the ashes of his dead citizens and cities.

The same happened in Nazi Germany.
The Germans didn't give up till 95% of their cities were demolished and millions were dead.
Same in Japan.

Sometimes it's better to cut your losses while there is still something left.

What do you mean by cut your losses?

Give up territory to save the rest of your country and
to save the whole world from a global nuclear war.

What, give up territory full of North Korean soldiers targeting your civilian population with Iranian drones?

How does this save anybody from WWIII?

Talk us through this one, Bobby. We'll see where you end up.

Putin will stop.

The war has been too expensive for Putin.
He's lost 800,000 dead or wounded and the territory
he has invaded is in smoking ruins that will take 30 years to try and repair.
Look at Mariupol – leveled – it looks like Dresden after WW2.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #392 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:01pm

scope wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:07pm:

Strange. It doesn't look like that to anybody else, Bobby. The only people using the N word are Vlad and, right on cue, your DL.

You're using Russian talking points, as you do. With 800,000 troops killed, the threat of nukes is all Vlad has left.

Zelensky has the moral right on his side but he is losing badly.

He was never going to be given enough weapons to kick the Russians out
due to fear of a nuclear war – Biden said as much -
he wouldn't even create a no-fly zone.
The war was lost after the first 2 months back in 2022.

Something tells me bobby is only reading from TASS.

Russia is sending soldiers on crutches back to the front, using donkeys ,camels and private cars as troop transports as they run out of vehicles .

Word is that russia will run out of T70 tanks by april, the black sea fleet have all but given up and gone into hiding.
Things dont look good for the russians in crimea at the moment, looks like they are packing up and preparing to leave.

With the right support, Ukraine can turn the russians back , I wonder how vlad will handle a loss?

Standard response threaten nukes maybe?

Even he must know that if he uses nukes, russia only has around 11 minutes left on this earth if vlad sends up nukes.

Who's Vlad going to nuke? Ukraine is only a few hundred kms from Moscow as the crow flies.

He'd have to nuke France - or maybe England. That could work.

Decisions decisions, eh?

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #393 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:03pm

scope wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:07pm:

Strange. It doesn't look like that to anybody else, Bobby. The only people using the N word are Vlad and, right on cue, your DL.

You're using Russian talking points, as you do. With 800,000 troops killed, the threat of nukes is all Vlad has left.

Zelensky has the moral right on his side but he is losing badly.

He was never going to be given enough weapons to kick the Russians out
due to fear of a nuclear war – Biden said as much -
he wouldn't even create a no-fly zone.
The war was lost after the first 2 months back in 2022.

Something tells me bobby is only reading from TASS.

Russia is sending soldiers on crutches back to the front, using donkeys ,camels and private cars as troop transports as they run out of vehicles .

Word is that russia will run out of T70 tanks by april, the black sea fleet have all but given up and gone into hiding.
Things dont look good for the russians in crimea at the moment, looks like they are packing up and preparing to leave.

With the right support, Ukraine can turn the russians back , I wonder how vlad will handle a loss?

Standard response threaten nukes maybe?

Even he must know that if he uses nukes, russia only has around 11 minutes left on this earth if vlad sends up nukes.

where do you get this crap?

donkeys ?

stop listening to CIA paid for media Roll Eyes

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #394 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Well Zelensky was always going to keep on fighting till
he ruled over the ashes of his dead citizens and cities.

The same happened in Nazi Germany.
The Germans didn't give up till 95% of their cities were demolished and millions were dead.
Same in Japan.

Sometimes it's better to cut your losses while there is still something left.

What do you mean by cut your losses?

Give up territory to save the rest of your country and
to save the whole world from a global nuclear war.

What, give up territory full of North Korean soldiers targeting your civilian population with Iranian drones?

How does this save anybody from WWIII?

Talk us through this one, Bobby. We'll see where you end up.

Putin will stop.

The war has been too expensive for Putin.
He's lost 800,000 dead or wounded and the territory
he has invaded is in smoking ruins that will take 30 years to try and repair.
Look at Mariupol – leveled – it looks like Dresden after WW2.

I see. Putin's been doing this for ten years. A ceasefire would allow him to arm up and find more foreign mercinaries.

So why would he stop?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107422 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #395 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:07pm aquascoot wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:03pm: where do you get this crap? donkeys ? stop listening to CIA paid for media
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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #396 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:13pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:03pm:

scope wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:07pm:

Strange. It doesn't look like that to anybody else, Bobby. The only people using the N word are Vlad and, right on cue, your DL.

You're using Russian talking points, as you do. With 800,000 troops killed, the threat of nukes is all Vlad has left.

Zelensky has the moral right on his side but he is losing badly.

He was never going to be given enough weapons to kick the Russians out
due to fear of a nuclear war – Biden said as much -
he wouldn't even create a no-fly zone.
The war was lost after the first 2 months back in 2022.

Something tells me bobby is only reading from TASS.

Russia is sending soldiers on crutches back to the front, using donkeys ,camels and private cars as troop transports as they run out of vehicles .

Word is that russia will run out of T70 tanks by april, the black sea fleet have all but given up and gone into hiding.
Things dont look good for the russians in crimea at the moment, looks like they are packing up and preparing to leave.

With the right support, Ukraine can turn the russians back , I wonder how vlad will handle a loss?

Standard response threaten nukes maybe?

Even he must know that if he uses nukes, russia only has around 11 minutes left on this earth if vlad sends up nukes.

where do you get this crap?

donkeys ?

stop listening to CIA paid for media Roll Eyes

The independent US Institute for the Study of War, dear.

https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russia-has-failed-break-ukraine

One of those lefty academic institutions, no doubt.

Yawn.

Quote:

The scale of the Russian manpower and materiel losses in 2024 have set conditions for several material and manpower constraints in 2025 and beyond, as ISW has recently reported.[116] The Russian defense industrial base (DIB) cannot keep up with the pace of armored vehicle and artillery shortages, and Russia is unlikely to be able to recruit the manpower it needs to continue sustaining these losses without another round of partial mobilization, which the Kremlin remains reluctant to conduct.[117] Russia’s liquid financial reserves and economy writ large are unlikely to be able to support Russia’s current loss rates for another two years.[118] Russia’s losses are mounting and will generate opportunities for the US and Ukraine to extract a deal from Russia that benefits US national security. The West should continue supporting Ukraine to maintain the loss rate that can provide the US leverage in negotiations.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #397 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:16pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:03pm:

scope wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:07pm:

Strange. It doesn't look like that to anybody else, Bobby. The only people using the N word are Vlad and, right on cue, your DL.

You're using Russian talking points, as you do. With 800,000 troops killed, the threat of nukes is all Vlad has left.

Zelensky has the moral right on his side but he is losing badly.

He was never going to be given enough weapons to kick the Russians out
due to fear of a nuclear war – Biden said as much -
he wouldn't even create a no-fly zone.
The war was lost after the first 2 months back in 2022.

Something tells me bobby is only reading from TASS.

Russia is sending soldiers on crutches back to the front, using donkeys ,camels and private cars as troop transports as they run out of vehicles .

Word is that russia will run out of T70 tanks by april, the black sea fleet have all but given up and gone into hiding.
Things dont look good for the russians in crimea at the moment, looks like they are packing up and preparing to leave.

With the right support, Ukraine can turn the russians back , I wonder how vlad will handle a loss?

Standard response threaten nukes maybe?

Even he must know that if he uses nukes, russia only has around 11 minutes left on this earth if vlad sends up nukes.

where do you get this crap?

donkeys ?

stop listening to CIA paid for media Roll Eyes

Unlike you horseboy I have no need to make stuff up as you like to do.

Yea donkeys, the all powerful russians using donkeys,camels and private cars,scooters and motorbikes to go to war.

If you had half the brain you think you have, you would have at least checked before posting .

Its out there, go find it and its not from the CIA Grin

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #398 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:18pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:49pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:43pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Well Zelensky was always going to keep on fighting till
he ruled over the ashes of his dead citizens and cities.

The same happened in Nazi Germany.
The Germans didn't give up till 95% of their cities were demolished and millions were dead.
Same in Japan.

Sometimes it's better to cut your losses while there is still something left.

What do you mean by cut your losses?

Give up territory to save the rest of your country and
to save the whole world from a global nuclear war.

What, give up territory full of North Korean soldiers targeting your civilian population with Iranian drones?

How does this save anybody from WWIII?

Talk us through this one, Bobby. We'll see where you end up.

Putin will stop.

The war has been too expensive for Putin.
He's lost 800,000 dead or wounded and the territory
he has invaded is in smoking ruins that will take 30 years to try and repair.
Look at Mariupol – leveled – it looks like Dresden after WW2.

I see. Putin's been doing this for ten years. A ceasefire would allow him to arm up and find more foreign mercinaries.

So why would he stop?

Bobby?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107422 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal Reply #399 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:21pm Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:18pm: Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:05pm: I see. Putin's been doing this for ten years. A ceasefire would allow him to arm up and find more foreign mercinaries. So why would he stop? Bobby? Dunno - can I phone a friend before we lock it in?
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Reply #400 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:37pm

zelensky went and campaigned for harris in pennsylvania in the run up to the election.

imagine putin campaigning for trump (karnals head would explode)

so he made his nest and now he has to lie in it

he could have shown gratitude to donny and JD but instead he behaved like an entitled brat.

i feel for the brave ukranian soldiers (the few who are left) but to zelensky i would say

"this is what defeat looks like", time to get that jet to hollywood and kick it with robert de niro Embarrassed

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #401 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 7:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 5:36pm:

Well Zelensky was always going to keep on fighting till
he ruled over the ashes of his dead citizens and cities.

The same happened in Nazi Germany.
The Germans didn't give up till 95% of their cities were demolished and millions were dead.
Same in Japan.

Sometimes it's better to cut your losses while there is still something left.

The two options you've cited were the aggressors, the invaders.

Ukraine are the invaded.

Stop trying to paint Russia as the victims.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #402 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 8:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:05pm:

I see. Putin's been doing this for ten years. A ceasefire would allow him to arm up and find more foreign mercinaries.

So why would he stop?

Bobby?

Dunno - can I phone a friend before we lock it in?

Right. So you agree with Zalensky. Ceasefires without security guarantees are just playing into Vlad's hands, buying him time and letting him arm up to kill more Ukrainians.

That wasn't hard, was it? Now, it's time to fess up.

When you carry on about obeying DL's orders, you have one goal and one goal only: to please Vlad. You want Ukraine occupied and Zalensky sent to the gulags. You want him punished for talking back to DL and JD. You want Ukraine decimated.

After that, you'll watch Vlad work on Poland and the Baltics. Fake news, election interference, cyber warfare and then - you know the rest. Vlad gets Eastern Europe, Xi the South China Sea, and your DL?

North America. All of it. Greenland too.

Raw earth, innit.

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #403 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 8:26pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 8:14pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:18pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:05pm:

I see. Putin's been doing this for ten years. A ceasefire would allow him to arm up and find more foreign mercinaries.

So why would he stop?

Bobby?

Dunno - can I phone a friend before we lock it in?

Right. So you agree with Zalensky. Ceasefires without security guarantees are just playing into Vlad's hands, buying him time and letting him arm up to kill more Ukrainians.

That wasn't hard, was it? Now, it's time to fess up.

When you carry on about obeying DL's orders, you have one goal and one goal only: to please Vlad. You want Ukraine occupied and Zalensky sent to the gulags. You want him punished for talking back to DL and JD. You want Ukraine decimated.

After that, you'll watch Vlad work on Poland and the Baltics. Fake news, election interference, cyber warfare and then - you know the rest. Vlad gets Eastern Europe, Xi the South China Sea, and your DL?

North America. All of it. Greenland too.

Raw earth, innit.

zelensky aint going to a gulag, you silly billy.

he is going to hollywood to party with all the leftie loving celebrities

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Re: Zelensky walks out - it's no deal
Reply #404 - Mar 4^th, 2025 at 9:01pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 4^th, 2025 at 6:37pm:

zelensky went and campaigned for harris in pennsylvania in the run up to the election.

imagine putin campaigning for trump (karnals head would explode)

so he made his nest and now he has to lie in it

he could have shown gratitude to donny and JD but instead he behaved like an entitled brat.

i feel for the brave ukranian soldiers (the few who are left) but to zelensky i would say

"this is what defeat looks like", time to get that jet to hollywood and kick it with robert de niro Embarrassed

Zalensky met with Harris, you rediculous old thing. He met Donny too, do you remember?

Sorry, in your words, campaigned for.

But then, they're not your words, now are they? They're the words of JD, the guy who called your DL Hitler.

But let's get real. You're on record saying lies are good. Playing the game, you say, by the rules of the game itself. We need more of them, you said.

Masterful weaving.

Zalensky is not playing a game. We're not playing cards, he said. He's there to protect the fate of over 40 million Ukrainians. For Zalensky, truth matters. For those of us engaged in political discussion, it's the only thing that counts.

Vlad has sent 800,000 Russians to their death. 200,000 Ukrainians have been slaughtered - for nothing. Many were civilians. Vlad is currently targeting people in their homes.

That's not on Zalensky, that's on Vlad. You're not holding too many cards, now are you?

On Day One, DL said, it'll all be over. He may even do a deal before he gets in, he said, we'll need to wait and see what happens.

We've seen. DL defended Vlad, blamed Zalensky and threw him out of the White House. He's now stopped all military aid for Ukraine. You don't feel for any Ukrainian soldiers or civilians, you just support Vlad.

So now, we know. You, Bobby and all the cult. You never supported peace at all.

You just repeat the words you're told.

Yes, Master....

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