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Reply #15 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 6:21pm
 
BREAKING!

America is sending tanks to the Ukraine.

https://x.com/HoodedClaw1974/status/1896187098350383120
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Reply #16 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 6:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 5:11pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 5:00pm:
I think we should make better use of sanctions, and put more pressure on China and India to play ball.
Unfortunately the Chinese still see themselves communists and therefor comrades with the Russians,
plus the CCP wants to do the same thing as Russia in Taiwan etc.



The Russians are sitting on a hell of a lot of Chinese land that they stole.

It's more likely they will go to war against each other one day.


Booby is right for once. Han Chinese are infiltrating into East Siberia. West Siberia wants to secede and has armed forces fighting ruzzians in Ukraine. Chezens too want independence from ruzzia.
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Reply #17 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 8:14pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 5:23pm:
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Inside Donetsk, the separatist republic that triggered the war in Ukraine


Thu 3 Mar 2022

Alexandra Lygina is a 20-year-old student on a mission to fight Nazis.

"We can't live in the same country as the Nazis," she tells me. "We can't forgive all that we experienced through the years. How can I live in one country with those who killed my loved ones?"

It's a week before the Russian invasion of Ukraine begins and Alexandra is speaking to me from her shabby apartment in the city of Donetsk, capital of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic (DPR).

The DPR, in Ukraine's east, split from the rest of the country eight years ago and has a so-called "people's militia" to keep Ukrainian government forces out. In the rest of Ukraine, most see it as Russian-occupied territory. Alexandra says it's an independent country that will probably one day join Russia.

"I feel myself Russian despite the fact that my mum is Ukrainian," she tells me. "We will never be part of Ukraine again."

Some Australians know the DPR as the rebel enclave from where MH17 was shot down in 2014, after missile system controllers mistook the passenger jet for a Ukrainian warplane.

Last week the DPR became the pretext for Russia invading Ukraine, with President Vladimir Putin declaring his "military operation" was to "protect people who have been bullied and subjected to genocide by the Kyiv regime for eight years".

"For that, we will strive to de-militarise and de-Nazify Ukraine and will bring to justice those who committed multiple bloody crimes against civilians, including Russian citizens," Putin said.

Almost Russian
It doesn't take long to see who the real power in the DPR is. Russian flags adorn the city centre, cars have Russian number plates, cinemas show patriotic Russian films.

Alexandra Lygina is a member of a staunchly patriotic pro-Russian youth group. She grew up in Russia but chose to move to Donetsk to attend university, where she is studying to become a diplomat. She spends her spare time delivering humanitarian aid from Russia to struggling locals.

"[The DPR] feels Russian because people speak Russian," she tells me, a week before the invasion begins. "People have Russian money, Russian documents. So we are almost Russian."


She says people here are feeling reassured by the build-up of Russian troops on the border. "We have Russian passports, so Russia must protect us," she says. "And Russia is not an aggressive country because Russia doesn't want the invasion that Western media talks about."

Certainly nobody in the city's crowded open-air food market expresses any sympathy for Ukraine.

"I don't want gay prides here like they have in Kyiv," one woman says.

"Why should I run away from my territory?" asks another. "So that Nazis can live here?"

That word Nazi again.


More here- https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-03/inside-the-separatist-republic-that-trigg...


Russian invasion eh?

Maybe we should let Russia have the Donbass if it will stop this war.
Sounds like those people want to be a part of Russia


The reality is Ukraine can't defeat Russia.

The people in Donbas speak Russian use Russian money have Russian passports they have been fighting against Ukraine for over a decade they want to be Russian.

It's really a civil war with participants from former Soviet union.

We should stay out of it
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Reply #18 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:21pm
 
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It's really a civil war with participants from former Soviet union.


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You know Russia invaded, right?
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Reply #19 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:32pm
 
Even the ruzzians living in the Donbas do NOT want ruzzia there!

GO HOME IVAN!
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Reply #20 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:36pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 6:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 5:11pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 5:00pm:
I think we should make better use of sanctions, and put more pressure on China and India to play ball.
Unfortunately the Chinese still see themselves communists and therefor comrades with the Russians,
plus the CCP wants to do the same thing as Russia in Taiwan etc.



The Russians are sitting on a hell of a lot of Chinese land that they stole.

It's more likely they will go to war against each other one day.


Bobby is right for once. Han Chinese are infiltrating into East Siberia. West Siberia wants to secede and has armed forces fighting ruzzians in Ukraine. Chezens too want independence from ruzzia.



I'm always right.

Land stolen from China by Russia:

Manchuria,
Parts of the Gobi desert, Mongolia and Siberia.

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Reply #21 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:55pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:21pm:
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It's really a civil war with participants from former Soviet union.


Grin

You know Russia invaded, right?


Why did they invade?

Ukraine has been attacking Russian separatists Donbas for over 10 years.

Did you forget about this incident?
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The shoot-down occurred during the war in Donbas over territory controlled by Russian separatist forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17


The US was involved with the coup to get rid of President Yanukovych the war in Donbas started a few months after that.

When empires break up sometimes new borders are drawn in the wrong place which results in future conflicts.

Russia taking Crimea was probably a bigger deal yet nobody did anything about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

Russia and Ukraine both want Crimea and Donbas.
How much money and how many lives should be sacrificed for something Ukraine is unlikely to win with military force?



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Reply #22 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:57pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:32pm:
Even the ruzzians living in the Donbas do NOT want ruzzia there!

GO HOME IVAN!


ABC reporter disagrees with you

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-03/inside-the-separatist-republic-that-trigg...
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Reply #23 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 10:30pm
 
Does he?

Plenty of evidence to the contrary.
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Reply #24 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 11:27pm
 
Two State Solution - its the only way.... it's not that they don't want Ukraines - they just don't way gay pride ...



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Reply #25 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 11:40pm
 
Trump must be laughing

NATO spending is up
European participation in Ukraine is up
Lots now interested in a peace deal
And the US aren’t being asked for a dime

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Reply #26 - Mar 3rd, 2025 at 11:46pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 11:40pm:
Trump must be laughing

NATO spending is up
European participation in Ukraine is up
Lots now interested in a peace deal
And the US aren’t being asked for a dime

Smiley


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Reply #27 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 10:29am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:55pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 3rd, 2025 at 9:21pm:
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It's really a civil war with participants from former Soviet union.


Grin

You know Russia invaded, right?


Why did they invade?

Ukraine has been attacking Russian separatists Donbas for over 10 years.

Did you forget about this incident?
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The shoot-down occurred during the war in Donbas over territory controlled by Russian separatist forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17


The US was involved with the coup to get rid of President Yanukovych the war in Donbas started a few months after that.

When empires break up sometimes new borders are drawn in the wrong place which results in future conflicts.

Russia taking Crimea was probably a bigger deal yet nobody did anything about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

Russia and Ukraine both want Crimea and Donbas.
How much money and how many lives should be sacrificed for something Ukraine is unlikely to win with military force?


That doesn't make it a civil war.
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Reply #28 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 11:04am
 
I think there may be some more fighting yet.  I believe the Russians are eyeing off Odessa.  If they can take Odessa, then they will have access to the black sea.   And that would greatly reduce Ukraine's post war government to export and import its goods.

If I was Putin, I will sign a deal with Trump to co-operatively harvesting the mineral resources in Russian occupied territory.  And there by giving some false sense of de fact security guarantee to the Ukrainian government.   Delay this as much as possible to towards mid term elections, so that Trump can have this as election leverage. 

As the mineral resources could take up a decade to mine at the very least.  Putin can use this time to rebuild infrastructures in occupied Ukraine - e.g. building houses, roads, hospitals, schools, and re establish resources trade with right leaning governments in Europe - e.g. Hungary, Italy, and Germany.   This will boost Russian post war economy, create jobs, and restock military inventories.

10 years later.  After depletion of mineral wealth in Ukraine have occurred, most of the US mining companies will leave, and thus end of the de facto security guarantee.  Then it would be up to Putin or who ever his replacement would be, to consider if its worth it to take over the reminder of Ukraine.

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Reply #29 - Mar 4th, 2025 at 11:06am
 
A lot of the “Donbas separatists” were ruzzian soldiers. Putler creating a border war to stop Ukraine from joining NATO.
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