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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42724	biggest coal powered station, 'driving up energy Mar 6^th, 2025 at 11:37am Australia's biggest coal-fired power station, Origin-owned Eraring, is 'driving up energy bills'
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Reply #1 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 11:47am

A spokesperson for Origin told ABC News the company supported the retirement of coal-fired power stations when there were sufficient replacement renewables and firming capacity online to keep the lights on.

"Any criticisms of Eraring's performance are not supported by the data. Eraring's reliability over the years has been excellent, with the plant available 84 per cent of the time.

"Indeed, data shows unplanned outages have continued to trend downwards and the plant's overall reliability has been improving year on year, including when benchmarked against other major coal plants."

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Reply #2 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 11:53am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 11:37am:

Australia's biggest coal-fired power station, Origin-owned Eraring, is 'driving up energy bills' Angry

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Reply #3 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 3:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 11:37am:

Australia's biggest coal-fired power station, Origin-owned Eraring, is 'driving up energy bills' Angry

Marvellous what happens when renewables don't work as expected. Fossil fuel generators have to run on standby mode as renewables get first crack. So you have part-time renewable energy supported by fossil fuel generators working part-time. Paying two for the price of one. Roll Eyes

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Reply #4 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 4:32pm

lee wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 3:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 11:37am:

Australia's biggest coal-fired power station, Origin-owned Eraring, is 'driving up energy bills' Angry

Marvellous what happens when renewables don't work as expected. Fossil fuel generators have to run on standby mode as renewables get first crack. So you have part-time renewable energy supported by fossil fuel generators working part-time. Paying two for the price of one. Roll Eyes

Correct. So we need to get rid of coal ASAP, but the government's attachment to the private sector is hindering the rollout of rewables plus storage, hence the schizoid attachment to fossils AND renewables.

Attachment to the private sector will cook the planet ....

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85617 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: biggest coal powered station, 'driving up energy Reply #5 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 5:30pm So we just go for nuclear then.... OK... whatever you say, dividie...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49571 At my desk.	Re: biggest coal powered station, 'driving up energy Reply #6 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 6:10pm Quote: So we need to get rid of coal ASAP China is still building brand new coal fired power stations. I realise most Chinese construction is dodgy AF, but they will still be around for a while. They will keep patching them up.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18115 Gender:	Re: biggest coal powered station, 'driving up energy Reply #7 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 6:28pm thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 4:32pm: Attachment to the private sector will cook the planet .... Oh noes. The oceans are boiling... again.
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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1408 Gender:	Re: biggest coal powered station, 'driving up energy Reply #8 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 6:30pm Why has the country waited till the end of our coal plants lifetime to only now start a plan to replace them?
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Reply #9 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 6:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 4:32pm:

Correct. So we need to get rid of coal ASAP, but the government's attachment to the private sector is hindering the rollout of rewables plus storage, hence the schizoid attachment to fossils AND renewables.

Nope. Renewables can't cut the mustard. Storage is horrendously expensive...once you add in days and days worth, not minutes. $642 total cost according to AEMO' figures. Grin

What was the cost of 9 SunCables plus storage?

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Reply #10 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 7:35pm

Daves2017 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 6:30pm:

Why has the country waited till the end of our coal plants lifetime to only now start a plan to replace them?

We had a good plan over ten years ago. The carbon tax. The LNP got rid of it. The LNP is not planning on replacing any power stations. They are planning on winning the next election, then blaming Labor when they realise how expensive nuclear is and how long it takes to build.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 107476 Melbourne Gender:	Re: biggest coal powered station, 'driving up energy Reply #11 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 7:41pm We should have a had a shiny new large coal fired station in every State by now - all burning low emission Anthracite coal from QLD. Instead - we will suffer blackouts like a 3rd world country.
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Reply #12 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 7:43pm

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 7:35pm:

We had a good plan over ten years ago. The carbon tax.

What was it suppsed to achieve? According to the alarmists the world is ending due to increased global emissions. How much cooling would the carbon tax, in Australia have achieved, which wasn't a tax on carbon, but on carbon dioxide? Roll Eyes

According to the IPCC about 0.0008C per Gt or 1,000MT. Australia's emissions less than 450Mt. So since 2012, 13 years we would have achieved 6.5 times 0.0008C reduction. Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 7:47pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 7:41pm:

We should have a had a shiny new large coal fired station in every State by now -

all burning low emission Anthracite coal from QLD.

Instead - we will suffer blackouts like a 3rd world country.

Not so, third world countries are lining up to build coal powered power stations, the Philippines have just moved to add to their coal plants. They have agreed to ban coal plants having 28 of them. But they tricked everyone because they have approved 22 more which are not affected by the ban.

So yes you will have power cuts but not like in the third world countries because they will have reliable coal and no blackouts.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49571 At my desk.	Re: biggest coal powered station, 'driving up energy Reply #14 - Mar 6^th, 2025 at 7:48pm lee wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 7:43pm: freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2025 at 7:35pm: We had a good plan over ten years ago. The carbon tax. What was it suppsed to achieve? Reduced demand. Have you forgotten how it works again Lee?
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