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The history of returning Mungo Man to country
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Re: The history of returning Mungo Man to country
Reply #1 - Mar 19th, 2025 at 1:02pm
 
Mungo Man was not Human but Denisovan.

Important scientific evidence has been lost because of woke crap.


Is Mungo Man DNA not Aboriginal?
Comparison of the mitochondrial DNA with that of ancient and modern Aboriginal peoples led to the conclusion that Mungo Man fell outside the range of genetic variation seen in Australian Aboriginal people, and was used to support the multiregional origin of modern humans hypothesis.
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Re: The history of returning Mungo Man to country
Reply #2 - Mar 19th, 2025 at 1:33pm
 
Boris wrote on Mar 19th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
Mungo Man was not Human but Denisovan.

Important scientific evidence has been lost because of woke crap.


Is Mungo Man DNA not Aboriginal?
Comparison of the mitochondrial DNA with that of ancient and modern Aboriginal peoples led to the conclusion that Mungo Man fell outside the range of genetic variation seen in Australian Aboriginal people, and was used to support the multiregional origin of modern humans hypothesis.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, "Boris" you really need to keep up with the latest scientific findings.  While initial studies suggested Mungo Man's DNA was distinct from modern Aboriginal Australians, a 2016 study found the original sample was likely contaminated, and Mungo Man's remains are now considered to be of Aboriginal origin, not Denisovan,  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: The history of returning Mungo Man to country
Reply #3 - Mar 19th, 2025 at 1:46pm
 
Sort of a Piltdown Man .... jawbone of an ass attached to a Neanderthal skull ... where's the connection between Mungo Man and the Aborigines?
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Re: The history of returning Mungo Man to country
Reply #4 - Mar 20th, 2025 at 2:52pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 19th, 2025 at 1:33pm:
Boris wrote on Mar 19th, 2025 at 1:02pm:
Mungo Man was not Human but Denisovan.

Important scientific evidence has been lost because of woke crap.


Is Mungo Man DNA not Aboriginal?
Comparison of the mitochondrial DNA with that of ancient and modern Aboriginal peoples led to the conclusion that Mungo Man fell outside the range of genetic variation seen in Australian Aboriginal people, and was used to support the multiregional origin of modern humans hypothesis.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me, "Boris" you really need to keep up with the latest scientific findings.  While initial studies suggested Mungo Man's DNA was distinct from modern Aboriginal Australians, a 2016 study found the original sample was likely contaminated, and Mungo Man's remains are now considered to be of Aboriginal origin, not Denisovan,  Tsk, tsk, tsk...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Well they've found another skeleton not far from Mungo Man site - Wilandra & it's older and it's not "modern man" - as Aboriginals belong to modern humans.

That'll put a twist into all the BS about them being here first or being related to this find ... & they may need a rethink on Mungo Man & Mungo Woman ... the appeasement to which I believe was science for hire.
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Reply #5 - Mar 20th, 2025 at 4:15pm
 
The only evidence I can find of your, "another skeleton not far from Mungo Man site - Wilandra & it's older and it's not "modern man" was that of Mungo Woman.  They later discover Mungo Child, but their remains were allowed to deteriorate before they were recovered.  Willandra Lakes skeleton WLH4's remains were analysed and discovered to be: Quote:
The authors did recover ancient mtDNA from the Willandra Lakes skeleton WLH4 specimen, "estimated to be late Holocene in age (~3,000–500 y B.P.)" and determined it to be of haplogroup S2, of Aboriginal origin.[29][30]

Source

Willandra Lakes skeleton WLH4 Quote:
show that the remaining sample (WLH4)contains ∼1.4% human DNA, from which we assembled two complete
mitochondrial genomes. One of these was a previously unidentified
Aboriginal Australian haplotype belonging to haplogroup S2 that we
sequenced to a high coverage. The other was a contaminating modern
European mitochondrial haplotype. Although none of the sequences
that we recovered matched those reported by Adcock et al., except a
contaminant, these findings show the feasibility of obtaining impor-
tant information from ancient Aboriginal Australian remains.

Source

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WLH4 was excavated by Wilfred Shawcross in 1974 but
does not have an absolute date. WLH4 is likely to be Holocene in
age, because the skeletal remains are not heavily mineralized.

Source

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Re: The history of returning Mungo Man to country
Reply #6 - Mar 20th, 2025 at 4:33pm
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2025 at 4:36pm
 
"Genetic Insights:
The mitochondrial DNA from WLH4 falls within the range of modern human genetic variation, suggesting that this individual was part of the population that migrated to Australia"

First Invader ...... nothing less....

What a revealing day's work yesterday was - we came across the statement pure and simple that 'Aboriginal men do not feel obliged to abide by the laws' - and now Mungo Man and predecessors were nothing more than Invaders of Australia.

Well - Rudd's groveling failed and only made things worse - Albo's attempt at Apartheid failed and only made things worse..... seems to me the only long term solution will be the Two State Policy, with an allocated and dedicated Homeland IN ONE PLACE instead of bits of the primest property here and there, and the shipping there of all those who want to 'go their own way' and those who are unsuited/unwilling to fit into OUR modern society of the Majority.

Time to consider giving them a chunk of land somewhere with borders as opposed to just carving out chunks of Australian heritage, national parks and public lands here and there to turn into private hunting reserves for the Lords and/or into private spiritual retreats for their fantasies about 'dreaming'.

If they want a hunting reserve or a spiritual retreat they can do what everyone else has to do - buy it and develop it into what they want... no way they could have bought an icon like Mount Warning - you see the reality here people?  (I doubt it with some of you - the bleach blinded)

https://bookretreats.com/s/yoga-retreats/spiritual-retreats/new-south-wales

https://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/hunting/where-can-i-hunt

Could've just given the pricks free hunting licences - they're all supplicant pensioner wards of the paternalistic state anyway, one way or another.... i.e. freeloaders and grifters.

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Re: The history of returning Mungo Man to country
Reply #8 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 10:46am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20th, 2025 at 4:15pm:
The only evidence I can find of your, "another skeleton not far from Mungo Man site - Wilandra & it's older and it's not "modern man" was that of Mungo Woman.  They later discover Mungo Child, but their remains were allowed to deteriorate before they were recovered.  Willandra Lakes skeleton WLH4's remains were analysed and discovered to be: Quote:
The authors did recover ancient mtDNA from the Willandra Lakes skeleton WLH4 specimen, "estimated to be late Holocene in age (~3,000–500 y B.P.)" and determined it to be of haplogroup S2, of Aboriginal origin.[29][30]

Source

Willandra Lakes skeleton WLH4 Quote:
show that the remaining sample (WLH4)contains ∼1.4% human DNA, from which we assembled two complete
mitochondrial genomes. One of these was a previously unidentified
Aboriginal Australian haplotype belonging to haplogroup S2 that we
sequenced to a high coverage. The other was a contaminating modern
European mitochondrial haplotype. Although none of the sequences
that we recovered matched those reported by Adcock et al., except a
contaminant, these findings show the feasibility of obtaining impor-
tant information from ancient Aboriginal Australian remains.

Source

Quote:
WLH4 was excavated by Wilfred Shawcross in 1974 but
does not have an absolute date. WLH4 is likely to be Holocene in
age, because the skeletal remains are not heavily mineralized.

Source



Try WLH 50 - you're only 46 specimens out.  Grin

https://austhrutime.com/wlh-50.htm

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This skull and limb bones, the 50 th find of human remains from the Willandra region, Willandra Lakes Hominid 50 (WLH 50), is the most significant of the finds in the area.

It is believed the bones eroded out of the Mungo sediment, but as they weren't in situ their original site, or which layer, is not known. The author of the paper to be published on the detailed analysis of the remains describes it as "much more robust and archaic than any Australian hominid found previously ".

An unusual feature of this skull is its preservation, the bone has been completely replaced by silica, the same process as opalisation.

It has been said that this man is so robust he makes the Kow Swamp man look gracile, quite a statement, given that the most extreme of the Kow Swamp skulls was more robust than H erectus.

The cranium is 210 mm long and very wide. The average thickness of the cranial vault bone is 16 mm.

There is a continuous torus above the eyes formed by the massive brow ridges, and a flat, receding forehead.

The occipital region of the skull is even more archaic than the other features, displaying substantial cranial buttressing.

The neck muscles are huge and the extremely wide skull with the greatest width occurring very low in back view.

The width difference above and below the ears is much greater than in any modern people.

Combined with these extremely archaic features is a very large brain.

With an endocranial capacity of 1450 ml it is much higher than the average of 1300 mm for modern skulls.

Like the Kow Swamp people, the skull is flask-shaped from above, all the rugged features in the Kow Swamp people are much more pronounced in this this skull.

It is unfortunate that the face, jaw and teeth of this skull are missing. enough of the rest of the body was found to suggest that his body was equally as massive as the skull. The surviving elbow bone is enormous.

The small amount of bone remaining gave an electron spin resonance (ESR) date of 29,000 +/- 5,000 BP, and more recently an OSL dating of 25,000 BP was measured.

Some believe that it is more likely to be closer to 35,000 BP at least.

There is disagreement about the connections between WLH 1 and WLH 50.

Some claim it is simply not possible to have WLH 50 descended from people like WLH 1 because of the extreme difference in proportions as well as the form of the two.

The skull bones of WLH 50 is 15-19 mm thick,

those of WLH 1 is 2 mm thick.


There you go girly skirt. Grin
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Reply #9 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 10:57am
 
You shouldn't cherry pick the quote in that way.  You represent what supports your thesis, rather than the whole intent of the authors.  This is one of the first lessons you learn at university.  You should learnt it too. What the author's said was:

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Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum in London took detailed measurements of WLH 50 and concluded that when the size was taken into account it was of modern type, but in shape it is closer to the Skhul-Qafzeh crania than to the other Australian samples. It now appears that the individual may have had a genetic blood disorder that in Indonesia, where it is believed the Aboriginal People came from, helps protect against malaria. One feature of the cranial thickening in WLH 50 is that it differs from other modern Aboriginal People, in that whereas it is common for the modern male Aboriginal skulls to have some thickening in parts of the cranial vault, WLH 50 had it over the entire vault. If WLH 50 did in fact have a blood disorder it might mean that he was one of the earliest arrivals from Indonesia as there was no malaria in his new home it would be eliminated from the gene pool over the millennia since his arrival in Australia. As at least some of the oldest dated sites in Australia are of a gracile people, maybe he was among, or descended from, more recent arrivals, that still carried the blood disorder that was lost from the gene pool of people who had been in Australia longer, where there was no endemic malaria.

The confusion over the actual dating of the skull, the silica replacement of the bone indicating a very long burial, while the dating was difficult because of the isolated position of the skull, with no possibility of dating associated material, allows some to hold the view that it may actually be more than 35000 years old.

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Reply #10 - Mar 21st, 2025 at 11:54am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 21st, 2025 at 10:57am:
You shouldn't cherry pick the quote in that way.  You represent what supports your thesis, rather than the whole intent of the authors.  This is one of the first lessons you learn at university.  You should learnt it too. What the author's said was:

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Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum in London took detailed measurements of WLH 50 and concluded that when the size was taken into account it was of modern type, but in shape it is closer to the Skhul-Qafzeh crania than to the other Australian samples. It now appears that the individual may have had a genetic blood disorder that in Indonesia, where it is believed the Aboriginal People came from, helps protect against malaria. One feature of the cranial thickening in WLH 50 is that it differs from other modern Aboriginal People, in that whereas it is common for the modern male Aboriginal skulls to have some thickening in parts of the cranial vault, WLH 50 had it over the entire vault. If WLH 50 did in fact have a blood disorder it might mean that he was one of the earliest arrivals from Indonesia as there was no malaria in his new home it would be eliminated from the gene pool over the millennia since his arrival in Australia. As at least some of the oldest dated sites in Australia are of a gracile people, maybe he was among, or descended from, more recent arrivals, that still carried the blood disorder that was lost from the gene pool of people who had been in Australia longer, where there was no endemic malaria.

The confusion over the actual dating of the skull, the silica replacement of the bone indicating a very long burial, while the dating was difficult because of the isolated position of the skull, with no possibility of dating associated material, allows some to hold the view that it may actually be more than 35000 years old.

Source

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Neither was he dismissing that this is a different hominid to modern humans/Aboriginals.

I actually did read the whole article smartarse & I think you've done exactly the same type "cherry picking".
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