Gordon wrote on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 3:48pm:


There is for a currency-issuing government (in fact, money is created out of thin air, a process  restricted to private banks at present.  Feel free to educate yourself re money creation: you can start by  googling 'how is money created'.

As for "unintended  consequences" re governement welfare, you are on the ball (at last).

Blacks call welfare money "sit-down money",  which merely maintains the social disaster originating in  entrenched socio economic disadvantage, developed over many years while the required assimilation was not achieved.   Many people rightly call welfare  "the poverty industry' which merely supports all the bureaucrats delivering the 'welfare 'money, but not the blacks themselves who continue to drink themselves to an early death.

The solution is not welfare money, but  government intervention ensuring every individual is able to participate in the normal path to economc participation, ie,  education, stable family environment, housing, and access to work opportunities.

The Voice referendum failed because government couldn't explain  how the Voice would close the gap - because the real task I outlined above is difficult, but nevertheless remains the only way to close the gap. 

Interesting fact re your "no free lunches" dogma: after WW2 during the  Keynesian  'welfare state' era, Menzies was able to maintain unemployment at below 2%, and ensure everyone had access to  either public or private housing, and fund the massive Snowy River Scheme, via deficit spending (no balanced budgets in sight, or sought by anyone), and deliver free milk to public schools.....   

Since then we have been tricked into accepting Thatcher's neoliberal  - small government, balanced budgets, "other people's  money" narrative, as if government budgets are like our own household budgets  (which is nonsense: government ISSUES money (via authorized banks) whereas citizens are USERS of the money...meaning the budgets of the two entities (government versus citizens) have very different constraints...). 

Which is why we now have a housing crisis,  a cost of living crisis, while government can't "afford" to ensure full employment, and have to pay below-poverty welfare...

Such much for 80 years of "growth".   

The Greens are morons

and Whiteknight is voting Greens.

Gnads wrote on Apr 18^th, 2025 at 6:46pm:


Ladies and gentlemen: another axample of what passes for enlightened debate in our 'liberal democracies', though admittedly the pollies themselves usually at least attempt to address the issues, even if lying is part of their tool kit.   

Personally FD I think your idea is fantastic!

Especially if it’s from local markets / farmers.

It could be woven into the school so students learn what fruits are growing locally, what can be done with them and how with the change of seasons so does the fruit/ vegetables on offer.

I don’t see why anyone has a problem with it?

Local farms would be able too expose their goods to a young market who might become local fruit eaters for life!
That’s good for business.

Not even mention the health benefits!

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It's about $3.40 per vote.

Gordon wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 9:45pm:


That's not stealing. It's a free gift. Like a Bunnings hat.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 19^th, 2025 at 3:58pm:



Except for your excessive word salads you could be classed as the same.

Do you honestly believe these Green fools are a viable alternative?

The Greens are deluded morons - you may join if you wish.

freediver wrote on Apr 20^th, 2025 at 8:23am:


Bunnings hats cost $6.