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Re: Dutton mistreated Abbo boys - Pinkenba
Reply #75 - Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:46pm  
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:37pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:18pm:
Leroy wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 3:10pm:
You can't just assume everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise - it doesn't work that way.

The onus is on those who believe someone has committed a crime to provide the proof.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.




Can anyone show any evidence that Dutton is not innocent.


You must have mistaken me for someone else.

At no stage have I said that Dutton is guilty of these accusations.



Weazle, you are the one that brought it up many, many months ago.


The accusation, yes - I've brought it up on several occasions.

At no time, though, have I ever said he is guilty.


Ah, just an honest conversation without intent, eh? Looking at Mothra's post in this thread I think your repeated bringing up the accusation has made her believe it to be true. That is your intent, dog whistle the faithful.

Exhibit 1:
mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 4:22am:
No surprises at all at those in to bat for Mr. Potato Head on this one.

Horrible, horrible people.



Where did she say it was true?

I missed that bit.

Sometimes a question is just a question.



Topic is Dutton mistreated Abbo boys - Pinkenba

Mothra says No surprises at all at those in to bat for Mr. Potato Head on this one.

Am I reading it wrong?


I asked you where she said it was true.

Obviously that was too much to ask.



Weasel, why would she say anyone batting for Dutton was a horrible person.


There's a choice between two scenarios:

1. Dutton is telling the truth

2. The kids are telling the truth

I agree that anyone taking Dutton's side is a horrible person.

That's not to say he's guilty though.
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Re: Dutton mistreated Abbo boys - Pinkenba
Reply #76 - Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:49pm  
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 3:10pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 12:03pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 11:11am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 7:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 7:37pm:
What if the little criminals were about to do a home  invasion and kill a poor little old lady?
Dutton may have saved a life.



Those kids had no criminal record. 


The newspaper article Geoff posted disagrees.

Quote:
He has labelled each of them as "little criminals" and "liars" and made much of their often extensive criminal histories.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six

Outcome

Police later admitted that the boys had not previously committed any crimes
but were taken to deter them from committing any crimes or being a public nuisance.


Quote:
Police later admitted that the boys had not previously committed any crimes but were taken to deter them from committing any crimes or being a public nuisance.[citation needed]


You can't just assume everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise - it doesn't work that way.

The onus is on those who believe someone has committed a crime to provide the proof.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.


I don't think I have ever said otherwise.

I was responding to Bobby's Wiki link. "[Citation Needed]" means there is no evidence that that part is true. It's just what someone has edited into the Wiki article. Possibly you.
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Re: Dutton mistreated Abbo boys - Pinkenba
Reply #77 - Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:50pm  
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:49pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 3:10pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 1:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 12:03pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 11:11am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 7:40pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 18th, 2025 at 7:37pm:
What if the little criminals were about to do a home  invasion and kill a poor little old lady?
Dutton may have saved a life.



Those kids had no criminal record. 


The newspaper article Geoff posted disagrees.

Quote:
He has labelled each of them as "little criminals" and "liars" and made much of their often extensive criminal histories.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six

Outcome

Police later admitted that the boys had not previously committed any crimes
but were taken to deter them from committing any crimes or being a public nuisance.


Quote:
Police later admitted that the boys had not previously committed any crimes but were taken to deter them from committing any crimes or being a public nuisance.[citation needed]


You can't just assume everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise - it doesn't work that way.

The onus is on those who believe someone has committed a crime to provide the proof.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.


I don't think I have ever said otherwise.

I was responding to Bobby's Wiki link. "[Citation Needed]" means there is no evidence that that part is true. It's just what someone has edited into the Wiki article. Possibly you.


Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

No citation is required.
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Re: Dutton mistreated Abbo boys - Pinkenba
Reply #78 - Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:54pm  
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:46pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:37pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:18pm:
Leroy wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 3:10pm:
You can't just assume everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise - it doesn't work that way.

The onus is on those who believe someone has committed a crime to provide the proof.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.




Can anyone show any evidence that Dutton is not innocent.


You must have mistaken me for someone else.

At no stage have I said that Dutton is guilty of these accusations.



Weazle, you are the one that brought it up many, many months ago.


The accusation, yes - I've brought it up on several occasions.

At no time, though, have I ever said he is guilty.


Ah, just an honest conversation without intent, eh? Looking at Mothra's post in this thread I think your repeated bringing up the accusation has made her believe it to be true. That is your intent, dog whistle the faithful.

Exhibit 1:
mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 4:22am:
No surprises at all at those in to bat for Mr. Potato Head on this one.

Horrible, horrible people.



Where did she say it was true?

I missed that bit.

Sometimes a question is just a question.



Topic is Dutton mistreated Abbo boys - Pinkenba

Mothra says No surprises at all at those in to bat for Mr. Potato Head on this one.

Am I reading it wrong?


I asked you where she said it was true.

Obviously that was too much to ask.



Weasel, why would she say anyone batting for Dutton was a horrible person.


There's a choice between two scenarios:

1. Dutton is telling the truth

2. The kids are telling the truth

I agree that anyone taking Dutton's side is a horrible person.

That's not to say he's guilty though.



3. Both 1 and 2 are true. They did not identify him, it's guilt by assosiation, he worked with some of them.

I don't take sides based on my personal political views, I don't see the other side as automatically evil. It seems the more gender becomes non-binary politics becomes more binary. I prefer facts to guide my politics which are, or were, left.
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Re: Dutton mistreated Abbo boys - Pinkenba
Reply #79 - Apr 22nd, 2025 at 8:43am  
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:18pm:
Leroy wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 3:10pm:
You can't just assume everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise - it doesn't work that way.

The onus is on those who believe someone has committed a crime to provide the proof.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.




Can anyone show any evidence that Dutton is not innocent.


You must have mistaken me for someone else.

At no stage have I said that Dutton is guilty of these accusations.



Weazle, you are the one that brought it up many, many months ago.


The accusation, yes - I've brought it up on several occasions.

At no time, though, have I ever said he is guilty.


Ah, just an honest conversation without intent, eh? Looking at Mothra's post in this thread I think your repeated bringing up the accusation has made her believe it to be true. That is your intent, dog whistle the faithful.

Exhibit 1:
mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 4:22am:
No surprises at all at those in to bat for Mr. Potato Head on this one.

Horrible, horrible people.



Where did she say it was true?

I missed that bit.

Sometimes a question is just a question.




Why are you still here?

Sometimes a question is just a question. Roll Eyes
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Re: Dutton mistreated Abbo boys - Pinkenba
Reply #80 - Apr 22nd, 2025 at 8:48am  
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:37pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 7:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:18pm:
Leroy wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 6:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 3:10pm:
You can't just assume everyone is a criminal until proven otherwise - it doesn't work that way.

The onus is on those who believe someone has committed a crime to provide the proof.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.




Can anyone show any evidence that Dutton is not innocent.


You must have mistaken me for someone else.

At no stage have I said that Dutton is guilty of these accusations.



Weazle, you are the one that brought it up many, many months ago.


The accusation, yes - I've brought it up on several occasions.

At no time, though, have I ever said he is guilty.


Ah, just an honest conversation without intent, eh? Looking at Mothra's post in this thread I think your repeated bringing up the accusation has made her believe it to be true. That is your intent, dog whistle the faithful.

Exhibit 1:
mothra wrote on Apr 21st, 2025 at 4:22am:
No surprises at all at those in to bat for Mr. Potato Head on this one.

Horrible, horrible people.



Where did she say it was true?

I missed that bit.

Sometimes a question is just a question.



Topic is Dutton mistreated Abbo boys - Pinkenba

Mothra says No surprises at all at those in to bat for Mr. Potato Head on this one.

Am I reading it wrong?


I asked you where she said it was true.

Obviously that was too much to ask.



Obviously you're deflecting ... & you accused me of semantics? Grin

her statement can be taken that she believes it to be true. Else she wouldn't have said what she did.

So the suggestion/lie told often enough becomes the truth to Mothballs.
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