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Reply #15 - May 28^th, 2013 at 12:11pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 22^nd, 2013 at 3:36pm:

Perhaps the dole could be offered as a legitimate alternative lifestyle option for bachelors and spinsters?

It would remove Tens of Thousands of single people from the workplace ~ thus creating vacancies for married couples who need a double income to care for their children and pay off their homes.

I've read your rules, Kat, but fair suck of the sav ~ is this bullshit or not?

I don't believe for one brief moment that this situation ISN'T brought about by lack of personal responsibility.

In the suburb where I live there's a taxi rank. Over the years I've noticed that the people who mostly use this expensive service are wretched-looking bogans with fags hanging out of their mouths and a brood of unwashed brats hanging onto the stroller that's carrying the latest baby bonus ($5000).

Often they'll be carrying a box of tinnies to take home.

And then we're told their starving.

They may be working poor - you dont know.

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Reply #16 - May 29^th, 2013 at 11:18am

Sappho wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 5:09pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

IMO work for the dole is slave labour. If they are going to make you work for it then they should pay you properly and call it a job. SOB

I am inclined to agree with you. Do you think it would be better if they were removed from NSA once they become long term unemployed (that is, no work in 12 months) and placed on a 'Welfare Wage' which will pay minimum wage for amount of hours worked up to the value of NSA in a Work for the Dole project?

So for example $15.96 (min wage per hr) x 15 hrs work per week = $239.40 (which is approx NSA weekly amount)

$15.96 a hour for a unemployed person that has been trained for a specific occupation is Slave labor in a non sense job they don't need, when there is another worker out their getting the correct rate of pay for that occupation.

You can't solve unemployment by keeping people unemployed.

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Reply #17 - May 29^th, 2013 at 11:26am

I have a friend who is 56. She lost her job (of 36 years) and hasnt been able to get another one because she has no qualifications and she is too old. She has a child below 18 also. IMO she should be either given a job or left alone. Its not like theres any work out there for her (although she hasnt gotten discouraged yet and is still actively looking after 8 months). These are the kind of ppl that are classified "long term unemployed".

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Reply #18 - May 29^th, 2013 at 11:28am

Lord Herbert wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 11:31am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 4:51pm:

IMO work for the dole is slave labour. If they are going to make you work for it then they should pay you properly and call it a job.

SOB

I'm inclined to agree with this because it's a very logical conclusion.

If you're not Working for the Dole ~ then you ARE on the dole.

But if you ARE under a compulsory work-order from the government, then their payments to you can't be classified as the dole, but wages.

It's mutually contradictory to say 'Working for the Dole'.

It can only be a dole for being unemployed, or it's a wage for you working.

Unfortunately Herbert to the rest of our Elitist Australians, a person doing Work for the Dole is still on the Dole and not working in their eyes.

Its a question of ATTITUDE and the peoples Attitude has to change, not just the unemployed persons attitude.

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Reply #19 - May 29^th, 2013 at 11:31am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 11:26am:

I have a friend who is 56. She lost her job (of 36 years) and hasnt been able to get another one because she has no qualifications and she is too old. She has a child below 18 also. IMO she should be either given a job or left alone. Its not like theres any work out there for her (although she hasnt gotten discouraged yet and is still actively looking after 8 months). These are the kind of ppl that are classified "long term unemployed".

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8 months unemployed, since being made redundant isn't Long term Unemployed.

8 months on the Dole you have NFI (Kats saying on here)

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Reply #21 - May 29^th, 2013 at 1:26pm

warrigal wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

You can't solve unemployment by keeping people unemployed.

I'd like to be there when Centrelink finally gives you a job, Warrigal.

I think they'll have somebody standing by with a big butterfly net when they finally give you the good news...

It's my guess they'll have to chase you all over town to the theme song of the Benny Hill Show.

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Reply #22 - May 29^th, 2013 at 2:08pm

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Ahh this look slike an appropriate thread to ask the million dollar question that alwys seems to be sidestepped:

IF the well-off have an obligation to support the less well-off, what obligation do the less well-off have in return?

Why should they do anything in return? Nearly all pensioners have already done their bit and contributed to society. unemployed will contribute when they get jobs.

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Reply #23 - May 29^th, 2013 at 2:15pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Ahh this look slike an appropriate thread to ask the million dollar question that alwys seems to be sidestepped:

IF the well-off have an obligation to support the less well-off, what obligation do the less well-off have in return?

Why should they do anything in return? Nearly all pensioners have already done their bit and contributed to society. unemployed will contribute when they get jobs.

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Are you serious???? Ever heard of "give and take?"

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Mutual Obligation Reply #24 - May 29^th, 2013 at 2:48pm I don't think he has.
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Reply #25 - May 29^th, 2013 at 3:24pm

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:15pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Ahh this look slike an appropriate thread to ask the million dollar question that alwys seems to be sidestepped:

IF the well-off have an obligation to support the less well-off, what obligation do the less well-off have in return?

Why should they do anything in return? Nearly all pensioners have already done their bit and contributed to society. unemployed will contribute when they get jobs.

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Are you serious???? Ever heard of "give and take?"

Did you read my post or just the first few words?

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26515 Australia	Re: Mutual Obligation Reply #26 - May 29^th, 2013 at 3:25pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:48pm: I don't think he has. Obviously you cant read either since i explained the "give and take" in my post. SOB
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Mutual Obligation Reply #27 - May 29^th, 2013 at 3:28pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 3:25pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:48pm: I don't think he has. Obviously you cant read either since i explained the "give and take" in my post. SOB No you didn't.
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Reply #28 - May 29^th, 2013 at 3:31pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

... wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 11:55am:

Ahh this look slike an appropriate thread to ask the million dollar question that alwys seems to be sidestepped:

IF the well-off have an obligation to support the less well-off, what obligation do the less well-off have in return?

Why should they do anything in return? Nearly all pensioners have already done their bit and contributed to society. unemployed will contribute when they get jobs.

SOB

Maybe some of us have already done plenty in return for welfare, so when does this mutural obligation end and the Job seeker gets respected by all.

Quote: unemployed will contribute when they get jobs.

The unemployed have already contributed.

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Reply #29 - May 29^th, 2013 at 3:34pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 1:26pm:

warrigal wrote on May 29^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

You can't solve unemployment by keeping people unemployed.

I'd like to be there when Centrelink finally gives you a job, Warrigal.

I think they'll have somebody standing by with a big butterfly net when they finally give you the good news...

It's my guess they'll have to chase you all over town to the theme song of the Benny Hill Show.

Grin

Very Funny Elder Herbet of the korri nation, why don't you take you advise to your botherhood and your own youth unemployed people.

Then you could help them get jobs too. But es you do help them you just won't help other Australians. You have a Imigrant Australian mentality, I will provide for my own but bugger any one else.

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