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Reply #120 - Oct 10th, 2022 at 8:21pm
 
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What if the former CDC director is right about the Wuhan labs?


Ingrained narratives are hard to correct. In his biographical essay “Why Orwell Matters,” Christopher Hitchens quotes George Orwell on the “power of facing unpleasant facts.” Orwell knew it was difficult but important to pull back from our political affiliations, biases and past conclusions to reckon with uncomfortable realities and potentially explosive questions — questions such as: What if Robert Redfield is right about the Wuhan labs?

Before Redfield, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during the coronavirus outbreak, endorsed it, the mere discussion of the still-unproven theory that the covid-19 outbreak might have been connected to human error at a research laboratory in the Chinese city of Wuhan was considered taboo. The issue of the virus’s origin has been horrendously politicized, by both the right and the left. The Chinese government and U.S. scientists who are close associates of the Wuhan scientists doing bat coronavirus research have tarred anyone who uttered it as conspiracy theorists, or worse (in their eyes), as pro-Trump.

And although it’s true the Trump administration contributed to this politicization, it’s also true that the Biden administration has confirmed some of the Trump team’s factual claims about suspicious and still-undisclosed work at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which amounts to a direct challenge to the lab’s claim that it has been transparent and honest.

Further challenging the official narrative, Redfield told CNN in an interview released last week that he believes the outbreak likely did originate from research in the Wuhan labs, based on how the virus acts. But though he is a trained virologist who saw the underlying intelligence, he was accused of spreading speculation and even fueling hate.


Then, on Tuesday, World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus rebuked the findings of the WHO’s own joint study with Chinese scientists into the origins and explicitly called for more investigation into the lab-accident theory. The United States and 13 other countries also issued a joint statement calling for a “transparent and independent analysis and evaluation, free from interference and undue influence.”

Richard H. Ebright, a Rutgers University microbiologist and biosafety expert, told me we must begin a difficult, uncomfortable conversation about this investigation’s scope and the vast implications if the theory is true. He said the entire genre of research Redfield was referring to, known as gain-of-function research (in which viruses are captured from the wild and developed in lab settings to make them more dangerous), needs to be thoroughly reexamined.

“The very fact that it could have been of laboratory origin, even if that cannot be substantiated, means we need to understand that there is risk in this research that may have triggered the current pandemic and surely could trigger a future pandemic,” he said.

Flinders University medical professor Nikolai Petrovsky, one of more than two dozen scientists, including Ebright, who signed an open letter calling for a full and independent investigation into covid-19’s origins, told me the Chinese government now realizes it can’t prevent a real investigation into the Wuhan labs and therefore is calling for all such labs worldwide to be investigated. And that, he says, is actually a great idea.

“I agree this is entirely appropriate, although clearly most of the immediate focus would need to be on the Wuhan labs, given their geography and the work they were doing,” he said.

If Redfield is right, that would mean China bears some accountability for the outbreak, which will greatly complicate already tense relations. If Redfield is right, that would also mean the U.S. government had a big role in supporting the research that resulted in the pandemic outbreak. If Redfield is right, the current response plan could greatly increase, not reduce, the risk of another pandemic.

These are all very unpleasant facts. But facts are stubborn things. And we have no choice but to pursue all possible theories and accept whatever truth the facts lead to. This must be done in a nonpolitical way, to show Beijing and the world that we still have the ability to place public health and truth above the narratives to which we have become beholden.
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Reply #121 - Nov 6th, 2022 at 9:13pm
 
A good article on Origins of this China virus.

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The Totality of the Circumstances surrounding SARS-CoV-2 emergence


We have probable cause to suspect a laboratory origin

Alex Washburne
Nov 4

The four most important pieces of evidence that changed my mind from a zoonotic origin to a lab origin are these four listed here: the DEFUSE grant, the Wuhan emergence, the Furin cleavage site, and the restriction map of SARS-CoV-2.

Read more here
https://alexwasburne.substack.com/p/the-totality-of-the-circumstances?utm_source...



He also contributed to this- https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.10.18.512756v1.full


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Reply #122 - Nov 21st, 2022 at 9:16pm
 
Another win for the conspiracy theorists. Wink

Interesting source this is on page 23.

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Section IV

Basis for Assessment that Research-Related Incident is More Likely Origin of SARS-CoV-2


Nearly three years after the COVID-19 pandemic began, substantial evidence demonstrating that
the COVID-19 pandemic was the result of a research-related incident has emerged.
A research-related
incident is consistent with the early epidemiology showing rapid spread of the virus in Wuhan, with the
earliest calls for assistance being located in the near the WIV’s original campus in central Wuhan.207 It also
explains the low genetic diversity of the earliest known SARS-CoV-2 human infections in Wuhan, because
the likely index case, would be an infected researcher, is the likely primary source of the virus in Wuhan.208
A research-related incident also explains the failure to find an intermediate host as well as the failure to
find any animal infections pre-dating human COVID-19 cases.209


https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis_of_the_origins_of_c...
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Reply #123 - Nov 27th, 2022 at 10:31pm
 
Dr John Campbell apologises for calling those who thought we should question the lab leak theory conspiracy theorists in this video.

He has changed his mind on this and now believes lab leak is most likely origin.



Looks like the article i cited Harvardtothebighouse by Dan Sirotkin in post #1 is pretty close and looking far more credible every day.

The coverup began 2 months after outbreak by calling those who questioned could it be a lab leak conspiracy theorists the only honest answer back then was we don't know.

Science deals in truth all bullshit is thrown in the rubbish. Warning bells were ringing with lots of people when we were shut down from even discussing lab leak possibility by calling those who asked this question conspiracy theorists. A lie does not like to be challenged.



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Reply #124 - Dec 7th, 2022 at 8:53pm
 
Fauci under oath in trial for 1st Amendment violation with government run by Biden crime family.

He doesn't recall much. I think it shows how out of touch he was with everything that was going on. He doesn't recall funding any of this gain of function research even when showed emails and documents proving it

446 pages still have a bit to go.

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Q. Do you recall at some point somebody,
anybody, raising concerns to you in January of 2020
at the beginning of the outbreak or near
the beginning of the outbreak that the virus might
have been genetically engineered or originated in a
laboratory?

A. There was a phone call in late January of
2020, I believe, from Jeremy Farrar. There was one
other person on the phone. I believe it was
Christian Anderson, who piped me in on a three-way
call, saying that they looked at the virus and there
was some concern about the molecular configuration or
makeup of the virus that made them think there was a
possibility that there could have been a manipulation of the virus.

Q. Before that, had anyone raised a concern like that to you?
A. To my recollection, no.
Q. How about Robert Redfield? Who's he?
A. Robert Redfield at the time was the
director of the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention.

Q. Did he call you in mid January 2020 and
raise that kind of concern about whether or not the
virus originated from nature or in a laboratory?
A. To my recollection, no. I know that Bob
today talks about that. I don't recall back in
January of 2020 whether Bob was involved or not in
any discussion about the manipulation of the virus.
https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/135885afauci112322_full_re...



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Former CDC director: Scientists modified coronavirus before it leaked out of Wuhan lab


July 12, 202

(Natural News) Virologist Dr. Robert Redfield said he thinks the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) was modified by Chinese scientists before it leaked out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) in China’s central Hubei province. The former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) added that the COVID-19 virus’s ability to jump from an animal to a human is not “biologically plausible.” While earlier reports claimed that the pathogen came from bats, newfound evidence suggests it originated in the WIV lab, which has sparked an ongoing debate.

Redfield doubled down on his belief of the lab leak theory in a June 15 interview with Fox News contributor Dr. Marc Siegel. He said that the virus’s ability to spread rapidly has never been seen in other coronaviruses. And while most coronaviruses can cross over from animals to humans, zoonosis usually occurs at a much slower pace than what was seen with the Wuhan coronavirus.

“I said before that I didn’t think it was biologically plausible that COVID-19 went from a bat to some unknown animal into [humans], and now had become one of the most infectious viruses. That’s not consistent with how other coronaviruses have come into the human species,” said Redfield, who suspects that the COVID-19 virus, although unintentionally leaked, had undergone genetic tweaks.

According to Siegel, Redfield had a hunch that the Wuhan coronavirus leaked from the WIV laboratory as early as January 2020. However, the White House Coronavirus Task Force at the time was focused on what was happening in country.

Former President Donald Trump and his supporters received criticism for espousing the lab leak theory in 2020. Just recently, President Joe Biden ordered the closure of a state department investigation led by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo over the possibility. But as evidence supporting the theory came to light, Biden himself announced a new 90-day investigation on the matter.

[highlight]Redfield criticizes Fauci and the World Health Organization
In his interview with Siegel, Redfield also took a swipe at infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci. Redfield compared the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) to a “dog holding on tightly to a bone” with his insistence on COVID-19’s natural origins.

“Other individuals – Tony Fauci, for example – would prefer to support that it evolved from nature. I think Tony is holding on to this [theory] tightly. Why would that be? Sometimes, scientists bite into a bone on a hypothesis. It’s hard for them to move on,” the former CDC director commented.

True enough apparently, as recently publicized emails from the infectious disease expert showed his staunch support of the coronavirus’s natural origins theory. One email sent to him back in January 2020 warned that the COVID-19 virus appeared to be “possibly engineered” upon closer scrutiny — a warning Fauci seemed to have dismissed, as the NIAID director never once mentioned this information in any of his interviews.

In his email to Fauci, Kristian Andersen, an immunologist at the Scripps Research Institutein California, wrote: “On a phylogenic tree, the virus looks normal and the close clustering with bats suggest [they] serve as the reservoir. [One] has to look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features ‘potentially’ look engineered.”
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Reply #125 - Dec 12th, 2022 at 8:41pm
 
Email from Daszak who runs EcoHealth Alliance to Baric coaching him on dealing with media which was used in Fauci deposition.

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Reply #126 - Dec 12th, 2022 at 8:42pm
 
Anyone read the 364 pages where Fauci said i don't recall over 175 times?

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Reply #127 - Dec 12th, 2022 at 8:51pm
 
Former Vice President of EcoHealth Alliance says this virus was man made and leaked from Wuhan Lab.

When people say conspiracy theory these days it really means spolier alert.

Fauci funded EcoHealth Alliance to create coronavirus and a couple of months later we have a pandemic with virus having exact same features EcoHealth Alliance proposed to make.

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Scientist with NY non-profit tied to Wuhan lab says COVID a man-made virus


December 3, 2022

A scientist who worked for a New York-based non-profit with ties to a controversial research lab in China has claimed that COVID was a man-made virus that leaked from the facility, according to a report.

Andrew Huff, who worked for Eco Health Alliance, a lab that studied viruses, said COVID leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China two-plus years ago and blamed authorities for the “biggest US intelligence failure since 9/11,” Britain’s the Sun reported Saturday.

The lab has been at the center of fierce debates about the origins of COVID, with both Chinese government officials and lab personnel denying that the virus leaked from the facility.

Huff, an epidemiologist, said in his new book, “The Truth About Wuhan,” that the pandemic was the result of the US government’s funding of coronaviruses in China.

He said China’s gain-of-function experiments were carried out with lax security, which led to a leak at the Wuhan lab.

“Foreign laboratories did not have the adequate control measures in place for ensuring proper biosafety, biosecurity, and risk management, ultimately resulting in the lab leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” he said in his book, which was exclusively excerpted in the newspaper.

Over the last two years, increasing evidence has suggested that the virus was leaked from the lab.


Some experts believe that the virus could have escaped through an infected scientist or the improper disposal of waste from the facility. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the head of the World Health Organization, told a European politician that he feared that the virus escaped from the lab in “a catastrophic accident” in 2019, according to a report in the Daily Mail earlier this year. 

Huff is a former vice president of EcoHealth Alliance, a New York-based nonprofit that studies infectious diseases. The group has been studying different coronaviruses in bats for more than a decade with funding from the National Institutes of Health, and had forged close ties to the Wuhan lab.

Huff, who worked at EcoHealth Alliance from 2014 to 2016, said the nonprofit helped the Wuhan lab put together the “best existing methods to engineer bat coronaviruses to attack other species” for many years.

“China knew from day one that this was a genetically engineered agent,” Huff wrote. “The US government is to blame for the transfer of dangerous biotechnology to the Chinese.

“I was terrified by what I saw,” the Army veteran from Michigan told the Sun. “We were just handing them bioweapon technology.”

The Wuhan Institute of Virology, a state-run and -funded research facility home to China’s riskiest coronavirus research, has been under immense pressure by the ruling Chinese Communist Party to produce scientific breakthroughs to raise China’s global status despite lacking resources, according to a recent investigation published by ProPublica/Vanity Fair.

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Reply #128 - Feb 4th, 2023 at 3:26pm
 
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'Knew Covid had been engineered to make it infectious to humans but were told to shut-up'



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It was first recognised in the UK in late January 2020 and a major wave of infection became obvious in February and March 2020, when the Government panicked and on the advice of SAGE and modellers introduced a totally unnecessary lockdown as, by the time it was introduced the first wave was decreasing.

It was rapidly established that the cause of Covid was a coronavirus and that it was different from the two previous outbreaks, namely SARS-1, which involved direct bat transmission to an intermediary animal known as the civet, and MERS, which broke out in the Middle East and involved camels as the intermediate.

When the virus was identified and sequenced and called SARS-COV-2 it was immediately assumed by all that this clearly had come from a bat and hunt for an intermediate, especially in the meat markets, was sought.

The narrative around the world that this was clearly a virus that had come directly from a bat (and possibly involving another animal) at the notorious wet markets in Wuhan, which were not that far from a major virology institute, known as the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). It was not unrealistic to assume that Covid was the cause of another jump from a bat to a human coronavirus because the last two epidemics had been shown to be just that.

As soon as the virus sequence was published my colleagues in Norway, Birger Sørensen and Andres Susrud immediately assessed the sequence with regards to designing an optimal vaccine.

Whilst looking closely for these features it became immediately obvious that this virus was extremely unlikely to have come from a bat, even via another animal, as it had inserts around the receptor binding region and - a feature not present on any similar virus - that would make it more infectious.

Moreover, these features had been previously published by researchers in Wuhan, which was the largest coronavirus research laboratory in the world.

We, therefore, concluded that the chances that this virus was not natural but had escaped from the laboratory were extremely high and pointed out that SARS-1 had escaped from high-security laboratories on over six occasions since its isolation.


We wrote a manuscript and shared it with the Government, Cabinet and scientific advisors saying that it was extremely likely that this was a laboratory escape and had clear and present security implications. Imagine our surprise when we were told quite categorically that there was no way it could have been a laboratory escape and was a natural zoonosis. We tried to publish this on many occasions and each and every one of the top journals, including Nature, Science, The Lancet and many others refused to publish this as it was not in the public interest.

What was to follow was a complete suppression of any debate about the origin, which would appear to have been driven by Tony Fauci from the NIAID in America.


Indeed, he was so intent on quashing any evidence of the origin that he commissioned a paper from a group of scientists, who we now know also had concerns that it may not be natural but nevertheless, they published the paper in Nature Medicine saying all the evidence showed it was completely natural and was not a laboratory leaked virus.

This paper was published in Nature Medicine and then used by Tony Faucci as absolute proof that it was not a lab leak.

What was incredible was that this narrative was picked by governments throughout the world, all the mainstream media and the majority of scientists, who should have known better than to accept the narrative rather than look at the evidence.

Birger Sorensen and I were only able to get our observations out under the disguise of a vaccine paper, which was published in QRB Discovery, a journal with a biophysics bent which appreciated our argument that the inserts affected the charge of the virus and this was why it was able to be so infectious.

Although ignored, this paper was soon to be downloaded a record of over a quarter of a million times!

The narrative that this could not have possibly come from a laboratory, even though it was very strange the outbreak should have occurred in a place not known for coronavirus outbreaks, was so strongly adhered to that even in the West any suggestion that it may have been due to a laboratory accident was shut down with cries of xenophobia.

Among many other put-downs was the allegation this was some sort of conspiracy theory.
The ‘lab leak as conspiracy theory’ narrative was so strong that it ended up censoring discussion on all the social media networks and only scientists who produced theories or suggestions that it came from a bat in an original roundabout way were allowed any voice.

China’s put-down was especially strong and it was so very obvious that they were covering up something as all specimens and databases were either altered or withdrawn



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Reply #129 - Feb 4th, 2023 at 3:30pm
 
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Now, more than two years later, two of the people involved with this, Professor Colin Butler from Australia and Delia Randolph from the University of Greenwich, London, have spoken out that it is clear now that all the evidence DOES support a lab leak and that there has been a suppression of the truth.

There has been secrecy and cover-up of this issue on a truly Orwellian scale.

First of all, why did it take them so long and why was the whole of the establishment, most mainstream media, and senior scientists, including those at the Royal Society, so prepared to ignore the evidence and go along with a narrative which looked weaker and weaker the more time rolled on?


It became obvious that there was a complete lack of evidence to support this virus coming from a natural source.

Indeed, all the evidence showed that this virus, unlike SARS and MERS, was so supremely adapted to infecting human cells that it did not need several months to adapt to infecting humans and causing disease, it had done so immediately.

Even though it was clear that the Chinese authorities lied about the initial infection and how it was spreading.

They refused to admit that it spread from person to person for several weeks and refused to share information with the World Health Organization.

Many argue if the WHO had done its job properly the virus would never have escaped outside of China, as planes were still leaving China, and Wuhan in particular, weeks after China had closed all its internal transport.

They instigated a mantra of lockdown, which was mindlessly followed by the British Government and many others worldwide, some of whom were even more draconian, such as Australia.

Indeed, only Sweden had enough sense to realise that lockdown would not work for a respiratory-born virus and in retrospect has one of the best outcomes of all the countries (with those having the worst lockdowns, often showing the worst death rates).

The worldwide community of scientists, including 2,000 eminent scientists in Sweden, were highly critical of Andres Tegnell, the Chief Medical Officer in Sweden who refused to advise a lockdown, that he nearly didn’t last and the Swedish Government showed great courage in standing by him.

Other scientists realised that lockdown was absolutely pointless and the best way to control it was by letting the virus spread in herd immunity and this led to the Great Barrington Declaration, which I was one of the early signatories to.

This was completely shouted down by all the scientists pushing for lockdown, including the ministers, such as Matt Hancock, who clearly said it was absolute madness and unscientific.


This failure to engage with a different mindset of eminent scientists and clinicians at this time has probably cost the UK Government at least a trillion pounds, given the long-lasting disastrous legacy of lockdown on everything from education, mental health and misdiagnosis leading to early deaths from cardiac and other diseases, such as cancer.



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Reply #131 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 11:38pm
 
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WHO COVID origins investigation is ‘stymied’


China’s refusal to provide necessary access and data has stalled efforts to understand the early days of the pandemic.

FEBRUARY 15, 2023

The World Health Organization (WHO)'s investigation into the origins of COVID-19 has stalled due to ongoing difficulties in collaborating with China.

The theory that COVID-19 was leaked from a lab hasn't gone away, with the last WHO investigation calling for further investigation into the theory, given that there was no new data on which to evaluate the allegations. The man who helped lead the U.S. response to COVID-19, Anthony Fauci, said in November that he had a "completely open mind" about the origins of the virus.

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Reply #132 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 7:07pm
 
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A classified US report based on new intelligence has made a stunning assertion about what caused the Covid-19 pandemic.

February 27, 2023

The virus that causes Covid-19 most likely leaked from a Chinese laboratory, according to a classified US report based on new intelligence and recently sent to the White House.

The stunning assertion by the US Energy Department comes more than a year after the FBI concluded a lab accident in China was the origin of the pandemic, which has killed more than 6.8 million people around the world, including 1.1 million in the US and more than 19,000 in Australia, New York Post reports.

The FBI’s finding was made with “moderate confidence” and remains the bureau’s opinion, said The Wall Street Journal, which first reported the Energy Department’s own finding on Sunday.

But the judgment is considered important because the Energy Department – which oversees the American nuclear weapons program – runs a network of national labs and has a great deal of scientific expertise, the Journal said.

Last year, Senate Republicans released an interim report that found the virus most likely leaked out of a Chinese lab and that “the hypothesis of a natural zoonotic origin no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt or the presumption of accuracy”.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology has been at the centre of suspicion since US intelligence learned that three researchers there fell ill and had to be hospitalised in November 2019, shortly before China confirmed the Covid-19 outbreak.

Some former US officials previously told the Journal that the workers were involved in coronavirus research.

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Reply #133 - Feb 28th, 2023 at 8:31pm
 
A total no-brainer. A mad Pommie scientist created BaronVonRort by capturing a wet fugitive fart, wrapping fetid carrion around it, and releasing it into the wild.
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A total no-brainer. A mad Pommie scientist created BaronVonRort by capturing a wet fugitive fart, wrapping fetid carrion around it, and releasing it into the wild.


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