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Question: Is bwyannnnnnnnnn ever going to accept the truth
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Not a chance, too invested    
  4 (57.1%)
Not likely, he will never accept truth    
  0 (0.0%)
Unlikely, too pig headed to back down    
  2 (28.6%)
Only if he has a hint of honesty in him    
  0 (0.0%)
Of course he will, he da man, tut tut    
  1 (14.3%)




Total votes: 7
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Reply #150 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 1:34pm
 
Bwyannnnnnnn and his boyfriend Anal, k have had their balls handed to them in the Pascoe thread.

Bwyannnnnn Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.
Anal,k follows on with asinine insults.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.
And Anal, k is simply a moron.

Its their declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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Reply #151 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 2:47pm
 
Sutton & Walshe reviewed in The Conversation.

Underpinning Dark Emu is the author’s rhetorical purpose. This proselytising is partly achieved by painstaking “massaging” of his sources, a practice forensically examined by Walshe and Sutton. It has led to converts to Pascoe’s dubious proposition. But this willingness to accept Pascoe’s argument reveals a systemic area of failure in the Australian education system.
https://theconversation.com/book-review-farmers-or-hunter-gatherers-the-dark-emu...


And another long review by an emeritus prof
https://insidestory.org.au/the-teller-and-the-tale/



Debunked is correct.

The dreadful eagerness to uncritically adulate Dark Emu for 6 years (with rare but ignored exceptions, immediately branded as 'colonialist right wing racism ') is the real concern and symptom of widespread emotional correctness in the media, univerities and schools and government.
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Reply #152 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 3:00pm
 

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Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Valkie admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Only Belgarion appears to have attempted to address Pascoe's argument.  Matty, Soren, Gnads, etc. are still lost in the void of argumentum ad hominem, perhaps forever.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #153 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 3:03pm
 
Sutton & Walshe reviewed in The Conversation.

Underpinning Dark Emu is the author’s rhetorical purpose. This proselytising is partly achieved by painstaking “massaging” of his sources, a practice forensically examined by Walshe and Sutton. It has led to converts to Pascoe’s dubious proposition. But this willingness to accept Pascoe’s argument reveals a systemic area of failure in the Australian education system.
https://theconversation.com/book-review-farmers-or-hunter-gatherers-the-dark-emu...


And another long review by an emeritus prof
https://insidestory.org.au/the-teller-and-the-tale/



Debunked is correct.

The dreadful eagerness to uncritically adulate Dark Emu for 6 years (with rare but ignored exceptions, immediately branded as 'colonialist right wing racism ') is the real concern and symptom of widespread emotional correctness in the media, univerities and schools and government.
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Reply #154 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 3:05pm
 
Sutton & Walshe reviewed in The Conversation.

Underpinning Dark Emu is the author’s rhetorical purpose. This proselytising is partly achieved by painstaking “massaging” of his sources, a practice forensically examined by Walshe and Sutton. It has led to converts to Pascoe’s dubious proposition. But this willingness to accept Pascoe’s argument reveals a systemic area of failure in the Australian education system.
https://theconversation.com/book-review-farmers-or-hunter-gatherers-the-dark-emu...


And another long review by an emeritus prof
https://insidestory.org.au/the-teller-and-the-tale/



Debunked is correct.

The dreadful eagerness to uncritically adulate Dark Emu for 6 years (with rare but ignored exceptions, immediately branded as 'colonialist right wing racism ') is the real concern and symptom of widespread emotional correctness in the media, univerities and schools and government.
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #155 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 3:25pm
 
Bwyannnnnnnn and his boyfriend Anal, k have had their balls handed to them in the Pascoe thread.

Bwyannnnnn Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.
Anal,k follows on with asinine insults.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.
And Anal, k is simply a moron.

Its their declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #156 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 3:35pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 7:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 7:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
Neferti wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 5:50pm:
MY doctor is a nice dark chap from Nigeria. How many dark Aboriginal Doctors are there?


Hard to say, Nefertiti. Do associate professors of Boong Studies count?


Absolutely right, K. Make her show all the Aboriginal MDs and when she can't Euchre her with your list! That is your plan, isn't it? You do have a list...



trouble with lists and diplomas    it never states the pass mark ..

I think it would be magnificent if more aboriginals  were doctors and specialists    only as long as they pass the same exams as everyone else.....


Honorary awarded Diplomas don't have a pass mark.

Why would you think that would be the case... they don't do it for qualification courses for trades & TAFE courses for them.
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Reply #157 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 3:42pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 11:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 7:11pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 7:00pm:
Neferti wrote on Jun 18th, 2021 at 5:50pm:
MY doctor is a nice dark chap from Nigeria. How many dark Aboriginal Doctors are there?


Hard to say, Nefertiti. Do associate professors of Boong Studies count?


Absolutely right, K. Make her show all the Aboriginal MDs and when she can't Euchre her with your list! That is your plan, isn't it? You do have a list...


I most certainly do not. How many versions of the stick did Whitey invent?

The Hills Hoist doesn't count. It was based on the 1923 Toyne Rotary Hoist. The Hills just purchased the patent for a foldable metal stick with cables used to peg clothes.

The Boongs didn't even invent them.

Waste not want not, dear. Or want not waste not. Either/or.

Been here 40,000 years, invented a stick. Aussie invented a wine cask and a black box.

Brian invented a yawn.

You?


The original Hills hoist wasn't foldable.

How old are you?
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #158 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 3:49pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19th, 2021 at 3:00pm:
still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods. 





In page after page, Sutton and Walshe accuse Pascoe of a “lack of true scholarship”, ignoring Aboriginal voices, dragging respect for traditional Aboriginal culture back into the Eurocentric world of the colonial era, and “trimming” colonial observations to fit his argument. They write that while Dark Emu “purports to be factual” it is “littered with unsourced material, is poorly researched, distorts and exaggerates many points, selectively emphasises evidence to suit those opinions, and ignores large bodies of information that do not support the author’s opinions”.

“It is actually not, properly considered, a work of scholarship,” they write. “Its success as a narrative has been achieved in spite of its failure as an account of fact.”

Pascoe has removed significant passages from publications that contradict his major objectives. This boosts his contention that all along Aboriginal people were farmers and/or aquaculturalists.

One example concerns Pascoe’s quoting of the journal entries of the explorer Charles Sturt. Sutton writes:

Sturt is quoted [by Pascoe] on his party’s discovery of a large well and ‘village’ of 19 huts somewhere north of Lake Torrens in South Australia.

Pascoe’s edit of Sturt’s original 1849 text breathes oxygen into Dark Emu’s polemical edge. It’s misleading at best. For Sturt’s diary reveals Aboriginal people didn’t live in “houses” in any single site all year round.

...

Such accounts destabilise Pascoe’s argument, reinforced by ethnographic, colonial, and archaeological records.

Pascoe records Mitchell’s astonishment on coming upon a large, deserted village during his Australia Felix expedition, which he estimated housed “over 1000” people. This, says Sutton, is “pure fiction”. “All Mitchell says is that his party ‘noticed some of their huts’; there is no mention of anyone counting anything.” Pascoe then quotes a member of Mitchell’s party, Granville Stapylton, as saying that the buildings “were of very large dimensions, one capable of containing at least 40 persons and of very superior construction”. But he omits Stapylton’s speculation that this was “the work of a white man”, probably the runaway convict William Buckley, who lived with the Wathaurong people for three decades.


Pascoe cites no Aboriginal sources and there are no Aboriginal lingustic features to support his claims. People practicing agriculture have words for the activity. No Aboriginal language has such linguistic features.

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Reply #159 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 5:02pm
 
...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Matty admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Belgarion has at least made an effort, unlike Soren, Matty, Gnads, Graps, etc.  They appear unable to understand the points that are being made and prefer to use personal insults.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #160 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 5:04pm
 
Bwyannnnnnnn and his boyfriend Anal, k have had their balls handed to them in the Pascoe thread.

Bwyannnnnn Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.
Anal,k follows on with asinine insults.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.
And Anal, k is simply a moron.

Its their declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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Reply #161 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 8:21pm
 


...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Matty admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Belgarion has at least made an effort, unlike Soren, Matty, Gnads, Graps, etc.  They appear unable to understand the points that are being made and prefer to use personal insults.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #162 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 8:23pm
 
We don't need to refute it.

All the experts are doing it for us.

You are just too stupid to acknowledge it.

Bwyannnnnnnn and his boyfriend Anal, k have had their balls handed to them in the Pascoe thread.

Bwyannnnnn Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.
Anal,k follows on with asinine insults.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.
And Anal, k is simply a moron.

Its their declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #163 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 9:18pm
 


...

Dear, oh, dear, still no effort by the Racists to actually refute what Pascoe has said.  They just prefer to engage in argumentum ad hominem debate. They just believe personal insults will replace reasoned debate.  It worked for them for generations so why would they stop now?  Tsk, tsk, still nothing that argues against Pascoe's quoting of the journals of the early explorers/settlers where they describe encountering fields of native foods.  Even when Matty admits that he doesn't understand the argument, he still argues.  Typical Racist behaviour it seems, all passion, no sense.  Tsk, tsk.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Belgarion has at least made an effort, unlike Soren, Matty, Gnads, Graps, etc.  They appear unable to understand the points that are being made and prefer to use personal insults.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Dark Emu debunked
Reply #164 - Jun 19th, 2021 at 9:22pm
 
Bwyannnnnnnn and his boyfriend Anal, k have had their balls handed to them in the Pascoe thread.

Bwyannnnnn Defeated again, so its back to tut tut.
Anal,k follows on with asinine insults.

And we all know what that means.

The tut tut and emoji are bwyannnnnn's way of surrendering to a superior argument.
And Anal, k is simply a moron.

Its their declaration of defeat.

That's all.
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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