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Reply #165 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 10:26pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 8:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 8:09pm:

Saying it was likely erected the same way - no community vote ?

Ah likely is it. No stump speeches to the masses? back in those days they may have been shot or lynched. Wink

Actually it was a private commission built on then privately owned land. It was later donated to the city.

OH white supremacists built it, that makes sense.

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Reply #166 - Jul 13^th, 2021 at 10:28pm

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 9:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 9:06pm:

Why would anyone care about the statue of a traitor who fought against the USA to defend slavery ?

Poor petal supplying 21st century feelings for 19th century facts. Grin

21st century facts for 21st century actions. We are not still in the past. It does not matter how popular the KKK were back then

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Reply #167 - Jul 14^th, 2021 at 7:40am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 7:42pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 11:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 9:05pm:

You all seem to be assuming this is some ancient monument. It isn't. It is less than 100 years old. "They were erected in the 1920s when Jim Crow laws were eroding the rights of Black citizens." They were erected to further oppress black people. Remember, the Confederacy lost the Civil War. They lost it fair and square. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What has erecting a statue to a Civil War general got to do with 'Jim Crow laws'?

How exactly does a statue go about oppressing people?

https://monumentaustralia.org.au/content/directory/full/Captain_James_Cook_Statu...

So it would be ok to put a statue of Hitler next to it ?

No comparison - one was a hero of State's Rights in a Great Cause - the other was a self-declared enemy of the United States, which at that time included the Confederate States.

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Reply #168 - Jul 14^th, 2021 at 7:43am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 10:28pm:

lee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 9:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 9:06pm:

Why would anyone care about the statue of a traitor who fought against the USA to defend slavery ?

Poor petal supplying 21st century feelings for 19th century facts. Grin

21st century facts for 21st century actions. We are not still in the past. It does not matter how popular the KKK were back then

So we run developments over Aboriginal shrines and artefacts without any argument? All those places like the Taj Mahal and the Pyramids can make way for new tract housing ..... OK......

Boys, send in the gas to clear out The Butterfly Cave.... and strip that paint off them walls NOW before blowing it all up and putting in a shopping mall... pave it for a car park...

Robert E had nothing to do with the KKK ...

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Reply #169 - Jul 14^th, 2021 at 8:54am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 14^th, 2021 at 7:40am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 13^th, 2021 at 7:42pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 11:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2021 at 9:05pm:

You all seem to be assuming this is some ancient monument. It isn't. It is less than 100 years old. "They were erected in the 1920s when Jim Crow laws were eroding the rights of Black citizens." They were erected to further oppress black people. Remember, the Confederacy lost the Civil War. They lost it fair and square. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What has erecting a statue to a Civil War general got to do with 'Jim Crow laws'?

How exactly does a statue go about oppressing people?

https://monumentaustralia.org.au/content/directory/full/Captain_James_Cook_Statu...

So it would be ok to put a statue of Hitler next to it ?

No comparison - one was a hero of State's Rights in a Great Cause - the other was a self-declared enemy of the United States, which at that time included the Confederate States.

Great Cause. Heh.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 84959 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #170 - Jul 14^th, 2021 at 9:27am Not so good at reason, eh? The above intercessionary note inserted in order to promote mothra's retort sufficiently for it to be read today sometime rather than left in OzPol doldrum...
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Reply #171 - Jul 14^th, 2021 at 9:32am

Many confuse the difference between 'fighting to free the slaves' and the Rights of an agreeing State to withdraw that agreement to Federation.... hence Con (against) Federation.

Lincoln made no effort to 'free the slaves' until it was clear the South would lose... and the North fought to preserve the Union - not to free the slaves.

Robert E Lee fought to defend the right of a state to withdraw from a voluntarily entered into Federation... such withdrawal being equally voluntary, capisce?

So dragging down his statue is emotional nonsense at its worst, and is deliberately inflammatory, and was and will be the cause of any violence and deaths that result from this decision to tear down that statue.

You reap what you sow.

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Reply #172 - Jul 14^th, 2021 at 11:37am

Lets try this again.

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races —that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Should a man who said this have a statue erected in his honour? If there is, should it be torn down?

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Reply #173 - Jul 14^th, 2021 at 6:48pm

Belgarion wrote on Jul 14^th, 2021 at 11:37am:

Lets try this again.

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races —that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

Ahh, yes.. Winston Churchill.

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17907 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #174 - Jul 14^th, 2021 at 6:58pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 14^th, 2021 at 6:48pm: Ahh, yes.. Winston Churchill. That was almost clever.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138423 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #175 - Jul 14^th, 2021 at 7:36pm lee wrote on Jul 14^th, 2021 at 6:58pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Jul 14^th, 2021 at 6:48pm: Ahh, yes.. Winston Churchill. That was almost clever. So, the complete opposite of you.
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Reply #176 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 7:56am

Don't worry the US has gone full retard now & this should also nullify all the leftard Liberal democrats, BLM rioters & their virtue signaling statue pulling down supporters....

They've now erected two statues of a violent drug abusing criminal(George Floyd) - one in Newark New Jersey & one in Brooklyn New York.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-statues-racist-biden-marxist-denigrate-b...

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"America's global elites prefer China and the Communist Chinese Party. That's why we're erecting statues honoring George Floyd's last nine minutes of life," he writes. "That's why President Biden suggested Floyd's death was more meaningful than Dr. Martin Luther King's."

He further argues that Biden and "the elitist revolutionaries" want people to believe that the American system denies Black people agency and makes them "defenseless punching bags for Trump supporters, Proud Boys, conservative evangelicals, rural militias, Republicans, and every other group that doesn't pledge allegiance to the Democratic Party."

"The politicians, activists, celebrity influencers, and media personalities – the exploiters of George Floyd – are determined to transform an amateur porn star, violent criminal, and drug abuser into a national hero," he writes. "They do so because they have no respect for black men or black people."

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On Friday, a new 700-pound bronze statue of George Floyd commissioned by the city of Newark was unveiled outside City Hall. It happened a day before Saturday’s celebration of Juneteenth, the newly deemed federal holiday honoring the emancipation of slaves in the United States.

"The statue in Newark [highlight]has Floyd seated on a park bench wearing a 'wifebeater' shirt[/highlight]," Whitlock wrote. "I'm shocked the sculptor didn't put a crack pipe in one hand and a 40-ounce of beer in the other."

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After 6 burglaries, 3 car thefts, committing 2 violent home invasions, 3 armed robberies, beating 4 victims senseless, passing counterfeit money, and being arrested 23 times since 1998.

George Floyd hasn't committed a crime in over one year Grin

But his family has recieved $27 MILLION from MINNEAPOLIS and $25 MILLION from “GO FUND ME”.

Also, President Biden and his VP met with the Floyd family on May 25th, the one year anniversary of his death.

Nancy Pelosi in June of 2020, gave the Floyd family a folded American Flag that had flown over the Capitol on the day he died - as a fallen hero >

Think about that one.

Insanity... & no matter how much of a chump Trump was/is.....Bumbling Biden & his crew are worse.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29805 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #177 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 8:02am Floyd Statue/bust 2 The money his family have been given should be in my opinion classed as proceeds of crime.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138423 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #178 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 8:48am Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2021 at 8:02am: Floyd Statue/bust 2 The money his family have been given should be in my opinion classed as proceeds of crime. The crime of the police officer. i.e. murder.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29805 Gender:	Re: Statue to be removed Reply #179 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 8:55am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2021 at 8:48am: Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2021 at 8:02am: Floyd Statue/bust 2 The money his family have been given should be in my opinion classed as proceeds of crime. The crime of the police officer. i.e. murder. He didn't murder Floyd ...... he was the scapegoat.
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