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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #45 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:03pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:58pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
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You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.


More RW ideology as spouted by that stupid black conservative British MP.

1. None of us can be "exempt from the requirements of civilization".

2. "including work"......except that the current evil dysfunctional neoliberal system itself DEMANDS the least advantaged (of any colour) occupy an unemployment pool to act as an inflation anchor (see the NAIRU).

3.  "the basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain"...oh, here's the populist Right's disdain of 'elites'.... 



He's not a British MP,  FutureTheCCPWankTo.
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Reply #46 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:11pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:58pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
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You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.


More RW ideology as spouted by that stupid black conservative British MP.

1. None of us can be "exempt from the requirements of civilization".

2. "including work"......except that the current evil dysfunctional neoliberal system itself DEMANDS the least advantaged (of any colour) occupy an unemployment pool to act as an inflation anchor (see the NAIRU).

3.  "the basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain"...oh, here's the populist Right's disdain of 'elites'.... 



He's not a British MP,  FutureTheCCPWankTo.


Sowell is a right wing maggot in the USA I believe?
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Reply #47 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:28pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:03pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:58pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
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You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.


More RW ideology as spouted by that stupid black conservative British MP.

1. None of us can be "exempt from the requirements of civilization".

2. "including work"......except that the current evil dysfunctional neoliberal system itself DEMANDS the least advantaged (of any colour) occupy an unemployment pool to act as an inflation anchor (see the NAIRU).

3.  "the basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain"...oh, here's the populist Right's disdain of 'elites'.... 



He's not a British MP,  FutureTheCCPWankTo.


Have you already forgotten the video you presented of the black (female)  conservative UK politician, spouting the usual RW garbage? 

[And of course you can't debate the points, as usual]

Which proves women can be just as indifferent to -  and ignorant of the causes of -  disadvantage as men...as we already knew after Thatcher...
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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #48 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:45pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:13pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 12:00pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 8:03am:
CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity.

This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black.


But....

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/what-is-critical-race-theory-and-why-is-it-und...

What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

By Stephen Sawchuk — May 18, 2021  10 min read

"Is “critical race theory” a way of understanding how American racism has shaped public policy, or a divisive discourse that pits people of color against white people? Liberals and conservatives are in sharp disagreement.

Hmmm....I smell a rat, not to mention RW defense of economic disadvantage...



Unsurprising drivel that Americans have succumbed to: the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon; which is not even true in the US, let alone anywhere else in the world.

US societies (as is true everywhere in the world) drew lines around neighbourhoods for many reasons including religion, ethnicity, political sensibility, nationalistic chauvinism etc...

All human societies instinctively discriminate; predicated on perceived ingroup and outgroup identity; and the subgroups within those ingroups and outgroups are myriad and varied. They can be tenacious - lasting decades or centuries (even millennia) - or circumstantial - as in wartime allies (i.e. the enemy of my enemy is my friend).

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Reply #49 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:46pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Unsurprising drivel that Americans have succumbed to: the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon; which is not even true in the US, let alone anywhere else in the world.

The US (as is true everywhere in the world) drew lines around neighbourhoods for many reasons including religion, ethnicity, political sensibility, nationalistic chauvinism etc...

All human societies instinctively discriminate; predicated on perceived ingroup and outgroup identity; and the subgroups within those ingroups and outgroups are myriad and varied. They can be tenacious - lasting decades or centuries (even millennia) - or circumstantial - as in wartime allies (i.e. the enemy of my enemy is my friend).




JAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!

typical right wing nazi BS.  'all humans do it'  LOL!!!!
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Reply #50 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:50pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Unsurprising drivel that Americans have succumbed to: the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon; which is not even true in the US, let alone anywhere else in the world.


Americans are even more divided by Conservative versus "Liberal" ideology, than race.


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Reply #51 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:46pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Unsurprising drivel that Americans have succumbed to: the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon; which is not even true in the US, let alone anywhere else in the world.

The US (as is true everywhere in the world) drew lines around neighbourhoods for many reasons including religion, ethnicity, political sensibility, nationalistic chauvinism etc...

All human societies instinctively discriminate; predicated on perceived ingroup and outgroup identity; and the subgroups within those ingroups and outgroups are myriad and varied. They can be tenacious - lasting decades or centuries (even millennia) - or circumstantial - as in wartime allies (i.e. the enemy of my enemy is my friend).




JAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!

typical right wing nazi BS.  'all humans do it'  LOL!!!!

Show me a society that has not / does not discriminate.

You can be sure that if society as we know it collapsed, those who remain after an apocalyptic event would quickly revert to fundamental human instinct and the likes of, say, yourself as a bloke in a dress, would be lynched.

As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended.

This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.

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Reply #52 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:16pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm:
As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended.

This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.



Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!!
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Reply #53 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:23pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:16pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm:
As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended.

This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.



Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!!



Are you proudly equal to everyone, ratty?

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Reply #54 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:31pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:23pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:16pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm:
As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended.

This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.



Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!!



Are you proudly equal to everyone, ratty?



I am better than most people but I give everyone a fair go
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Reply #55 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:36pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:31pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:23pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:16pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm:
As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended.

This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.



Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!!



Are you proudly equal to everyone, ratty?



I am better than most people but I give everyone a fair go



Grin Grin Grin Grin

You could make a fortune parodying pwogwessive types like Bbwian and FutureTheLeftWankTo.
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Reply #56 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:36pm:
Grin Grin Grin Grin

You could make a fortune parodying pwogwessive types like Bbwian and FutureTheLeftWankTo. 


What part of being decent upsets you so much?
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Reply #57 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:50pm
 
In one sense, the teaching of Critical Race Theory is an excellent idea, given that pupils should be able to understand how this divisive and destructive ideology has managed to infiltrate all of our major cultural, political and educational institutions. What better way to explore the concept of groupthink, the corruption of academia, and the bizarre phenomenon of activists who promote racial division in the name of anti-racism, than by studying a deeply flawed and yet hugely successful text such as Robin DiAngelo’s White Fragility?

Critical Race Theory is underpinned by a number of suppositions. The first is that race is the defining principle of the structure of Western societies, and that ‘whiteness’ is the dominant system of power. Racial inequality is considered to be present in all conceivable situations, which is why literally anything can be problematised as racist, including breakfast cereals, the countryside, yoga, cycling, tipping, veganism, traffic lights, classical music, Western philosophy, free speech, interior design, orcs, mermaids, punctuality, beer, bras, botany, and even The Golden Girls.

Where racism is not immediately obvious, it must be assumed to be latent, and only those trained in Critical Race Theory are qualified to detect it. Often, when data explicitly show that racism in institutions is virtually non-existent, the notion of ‘lived experience’ – what used to be called anecdotal evidence – is invoked to prove the opposite.

CRT amounts to a belief system that is as maddening as trying to ascend a staircase designed by MC Escher. Like all offshoots of postmodern thought – such as intersectional feminism, disability studies, fat studies and queer theory – incoherence is built into CRT’s core principles. The obscurantism is part of the point. It enables the well-versed to befuddle the layman with jargon, thereby giving vacuous theories the impression of substance. Activists rely on the ambiguity as a get-out clause to make statements that are bound to be interpreted as hostile.
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Reply #58 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:56pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:50pm:
In one sense, the teaching of Critical Race Theory is an excellent idea, given that pupils should be able to understand how this divisive and destructive ideology has managed to infiltrate all of our major cultural, political and educational institutions. What better way to explore the concept of groupthink, the corruption of academia, and the bizarre phenomenon of activists who promote racial division in the name of anti-racism, than by studying a deeply flawed and yet hugely successful text such as Robin DiAngelo’s White Fragility?

Critical Race Theory is underpinned by a number of suppositions. The first is that race is the defining principle of the structure of Western societies, and that ‘whiteness’ is the dominant system of power. Racial inequality is considered to be present in all conceivable situations, which is why literally anything can be problematised as racist, including breakfast cereals, the countryside, yoga, cycling, tipping, veganism, traffic lights, classical music, Western philosophy, free speech, interior design, orcs, mermaids, punctuality, beer, bras, botany, and even The Golden Girls.

Where racism is not immediately obvious, it must be assumed to be latent, and only those trained in Critical Race Theory are qualified to detect it. Often, when data explicitly show that racism in institutions is virtually non-existent, the notion of ‘lived experience’ – what used to be called anecdotal evidence – is invoked to prove the opposite.

CRT amounts to a belief system that is as maddening as trying to ascend a staircase designed by MC Escher. Like all offshoots of postmodern thought – such as intersectional feminism, disability studies, fat studies and queer theory – incoherence is built into CRT’s core principles. The obscurantism is part of the point. It enables the well-versed to befuddle the layman with jargon, thereby giving vacuous theories the impression of substance. Activists rely on the ambiguity as a get-out clause to make statements that are bound to be interpreted as hostile.
Titania's dad.

Just so.



" divisive and destructive ideology"

Define the ideology and explain why it's destructive.  We both know you cannot.  You're just crying
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Reply #59 - Jul 15th, 2022 at 3:18pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 2:16pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15th, 2022 at 1:58pm:
As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended.

This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.



Yes, equality is terrifying to you, LOL!! Imagine having no privilege!!!!!

Can you walk and fart at the same time? Whatever you're hired for, it's not for your brains.


I'm very happy living in a progressive social democracy, but the only reason I can say that is because hundreds of years of progress towards where we're at allows me to say it.

Who cares what someone is if he/she discovers the cure to cancer?

In the event of an apocalypse and without the social status quo being upheld by law and the will of the people, human nature would do what it will - regress and tend towards basic normatives. In the case of gender, that normative is easy to imagine.

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