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Reply #540 - Jun 22nd, 2023 at 2:41pm
 

Graps?

Good to see you wanting to learn about money....(cough)
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Reply #541 - Jun 23rd, 2023 at 12:45pm
 
"The right person won't want the job; it's likely the wrong person will want it" - radio commentator re Lowe's possible replacement as governor of the RBA.

Something wrong with the job?

It would be a much better job if the currency-issuing government realized it doesn't need to balance its budget in the way private households do.

And if the central bank's role was reduced  to acting as a 'clearing house' for private banks, in a mandated full-employment, near zero interest rate policy.
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Reply #542 - Jun 24th, 2023 at 12:36pm
 
More from Prof. Steve Keen:

So how is money made?

You’d think you could just ask an economist that question, right?

Surely, they’re the experts on money, aren’t they—after all, isn’t that what economics is all about?

Wrong! Mainstream economists actually believe that “money doesn’t matter”, and they build models of the economy in which banks, and money, play no role.

Far from being experts on money, they’re ignoramuses on it, and their ignorance leads to economic policies that make it harder for you and me to actually earn money.

Well, they are the ones who are ignorant, but we are the ones who suffer.

As one of the leading non-mainstream economists on the planet, I know that the mainstream is wrong.

But even better, I’ve developed software that shows how a monetary economy actually works.

It’s called Minsky, it’s free, and you can download it from here.

Join me in the Steve Keen Mastermind lecture series, and I’ll show you how to use Minsky to understand how a monetary economy really works.

Then you can help me fight the deluded economic policies peddled by mainstream economists.



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Reply #543 - Jun 26th, 2023 at 5:02pm
 
The BIS spouting the same (as Philip Lowe)  cripple borrowers and increase unemployment to control inflation mainstream economic garbage.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/markets/central-bank-body-warns-world-economy-at...

Central-bank body warns world economy at critical juncture in inflation fight

"Very high debt levels, a remarkable global inflation surge, and the strong pandemic-era increase in house prices check all these boxes," the BIS said.

It estimated too that the cost of supporting aging populations will grow by approximately 4% and 5% of GDP in advanced (AEs) and emerging market economies (EMEs) respectively over the next 20 years.

Absent belt-tightening by governments, that would push debt above 200% and 150% of GDP by 2050 in AEs and EMEs and could be even higher if economic growth rates wane."

........

The problem of course is the flat-earth mainstream economists mentioned by Keen in the previous post; fun times ahead as 'markets' churn out billionaires while governments must endure 'belt-tightening'.

The implication  that high growth rates are entirely dependent on low government debt/balanced budgets is flat-earth thinking in the extreme; in any case, high growth rates WITH entrenched poverty are unacceptable.

Only government can eradicate poverty, and must be prepared to do so, witness the US with the world's largest economy and its growing number of tent dwellers in city streets. 

Disgraceful, of no concern to the BIS, apparently.



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Reply #544 - Jun 29th, 2023 at 11:48am
 
Understanding money: catching on around the world. 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fzj1S0UWYAAl60h?format=jpg&name=small
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Reply #545 - Jul 1st, 2023 at 12:33pm
 
https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/how-money-is-created-in-the-modern?utm_sour...

Building a New Economics


How money is created in the modern world
Both banks and governments can create money "out of nothing"


STEVE KEEN
1 JULY 2023
"This is a talk I gave to the Transparency Task Force, using my Minsky software to show that both banks and the government create money "out of nothing"--meaning that neither banks nor governments lend from a "pot" of money, nor do they need to borrow in order to create money. In a mathematical sense, both are "endogenous": they don't require any external input to kickstart money creation.

It is simply ridiculous how much of our current politics involves being ignorant about these basic facts about money creation."

........

And so this means government CAN ensure provision of basic necessities for all (including above-poverty employment), ie, CAN eradicate poverty, by placing first claim on a portion** of the nation's RESOURCES, as determined by the electorate.

Which will free government from the mainstream 'taxation hinders aspiration' argument of Conservatives. 

And reverses the current dreadful situation where income-seeking "asset managers rule the world" (as discussed on ABC's RN 'The Money' program yesterday)  because governments abandoned their social responsibilities after the demise of the post-war Keynesian 'welfare  state' era. 

**Note: the mistake of the Soviet Union was to claim ALL the nation's resources for government, thus hindering individual  incentive and aspiration. 
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Reply #546 - Jul 2nd, 2023 at 12:09pm
 
Tweet:

#MMT: MoralMoneyTime
@samvega

1. The only deficit that counts is government 'deficit' of its own fiat money that, by fiat, it creates inexhaustibly. 🤪

2. Deficits of air, water, work, opportunity, schools, healthcare, biodiversity... are to be ignored.


~ mainstream economists and neoliberal politicians.
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Reply #547 - Jul 5th, 2023 at 12:31pm
 
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=60956

A large government presence required for energy transition does not mean massive deficits are required
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Reply #548 - Jul 8th, 2023 at 4:57pm
 
https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=60964

UN Report on employment guarantees misses the essential points about buffer stock mechanisms.
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Reply #549 - Jul 10th, 2023 at 12:05pm
 
"Money for nothing" versus money from nothing.

The former is the wide-spread misunderstanding of MMT - restated by Lee recently. 

The latter, ie money FROM nothing,  is the true description of how money is created, by the authourized currency-issuer - an agency of government (plus registered private banks when they write loans denominated in the nation's currency, for credit-worthy customers).  

The mis-understanding arises because people conflate the currency-issuing (eg. Australian) government - the ISSUER of the currency, with the population who are USERS of the currency. 

In fact the only groups/entities/individuals who can get "money for nothing" are:

1. the government, if what it wishes to buy (eg, materials and labour)  are available for purchase in the nation's currency;

2. individuals receiving welfare;

3. the general population if the government introduces a UBI scheme. 

[But note: an (above poverty) UBI would discourage participation in the economy, whereas a Job Guarantee rewards participation in the economy, with an above poverty wage which is higher than the dole.]

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Reply #550 - Jul 11th, 2023 at 9:40am
 
Both Charlie and Biden agree: "private companies have to step up more, to deal with climate change".

Only problem is Shell is already going the other way, saying "we can't make money out of renewables".

You can see the problem.

It's another reason why the public sector will have to take charge of the transition to renewables.
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Reply #551 - Jul 11th, 2023 at 10:21pm
 
Speaking of the public sector stepping up again:

https://youtu.be/gqFPhsO-2W0

Yes, 3 decades of privatization have created a real "sh1tshow".....

But the laugh is worthwhile....

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Reply #552 - Jul 12th, 2023 at 10:45am
 
Quote:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Thomas Jefferson

Quote:
“The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing.”
— William Paterson, founder of the Bank of England, 1694.

Quote:
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. 
Henry Ford

Quote:
“All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.”
— John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson.

Quote:
If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.
— US President Andrew Jackson.

Quote:

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”
— US President Abraham Lincoln

Quote:
“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.”
— US President James Madison

Quote:
“The money power denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.”
— Democrat Presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan.

Quote:
"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce."
— US President James A. Garfield

Quote:

“This Federal Reserve Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Wilson) signs this bill the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalized.”
— Hon. Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr.

Quote:
“Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again... If you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit.”
— Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England, 1940
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Quote:
"Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing."
— Ralph M. Hawtrey, former Secretary of Treasury, England.

Quote:
“The banks do create money. They have been doing it for a long time, but they didn't quite realise it, and they did not admit it. Very few did. You will find it in all sorts of documents, financial textbooks, etc. But in the intervening years, and we must all be perfectly frank about these things, there has been a development of thought, until today I doubt very much whether you would get many prominent bankers to attempt to deny that banks create credit.”
— H. W. White, Chairman of the Associated Banks of New Zealand, to the New Zealand Monetary Commission, 1955.

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Reply #553 - Jul 12th, 2023 at 11:41am
 
Ajax wrote on Jul 12th, 2023 at 10:45am:
Quote:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
Thomas Jefferson

Quote:
“The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing.”
— William Paterson, founder of the Bank of England, 1694.

Quote:
It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. 
Henry Ford

Quote:
“All the perplexities, confusion and distresses in America arise not from defects in the constitution or confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, as much from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.”
— John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson.

Quote:
If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.
— US President Andrew Jackson.

Quote:

“The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity.”
— US President Abraham Lincoln

Quote:
“History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.”
— US President James Madison

Quote:
“The money power denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.”
— Democrat Presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan.

Quote:
"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce."
— US President James A. Garfield

Quote:

“This Federal Reserve Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Wilson) signs this bill the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalized.”
— Hon. Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr.

Quote:
“Bankers own the earth; take it away from them but leave them with the power to create credit; and, with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again... If you want to be slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let the bankers control money and control credit.”
— Sir Josiah Stamp, Director, Bank of England, 1940
.

Quote:
"Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing."
— Ralph M. Hawtrey, former Secretary of Treasury, England.

Quote:
“The banks do create money. They have been doing it for a long time, but they didn't quite realise it, and they did not admit it. Very few did. You will find it in all sorts of documents, financial textbooks, etc. But in the intervening years, and we must all be perfectly frank about these things, there has been a development of thought, until today I doubt very much whether you would get many prominent bankers to attempt to deny that banks create credit.”
— H. W. White, Chairman of the Associated Banks of New Zealand, to the New Zealand Monetary Commission, 1955.



Excellent post, showing that awareness of how money is created has existed for a long time, but the knowledge was (and is) denied to the people.

eg, I'm not sure if the lovely ladies in the video (see #551 below)...excuse their language (!).....are aware of the ruse.

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Reply #554 - Jul 15th, 2023 at 11:21am
 
https://ellenbrown.com/2023/07/14/the-federal-debt-trap-issues-and-possible-solu...

The Federal Debt Trap: Issues and Possible Solutions

“Rather than collecting taxes from the wealthy,” wrote the New York Times Editorial Board in a July 7 opinion piece, “the government is paying the wealthy to borrow their money.”

Exactly - as forecast by Jefferson at the founding of the nation (see previous post). 

Government has handed its currency-issuing power to private financiers/bankers and... voila....

Mirrored in Albo's statement today: "she (Bullock) has a difficult job at a difficult time"....because he is too cowardly/ignorant to take responsibility for governing the nation.

The nation's currency-issuing power is THE central power of government. 
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