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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #90 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:42pm
 
chimera wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:35pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:33pm:
chimera wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:25pm:
So please write a little bit more to form a sensible statement.


For this place? LOL

You mean you are senseless?
ok


It means I tried and it's not worth it
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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #91 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:25pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 4:24pm:
Mount Isa Mines Rodeo with the Indigenous Rodeo Championships will be a cracker
July 29, 2022




There will be a record number of riders to provide thrills and spills on the arena and then at night Guy Sebastian and Baker Boy will come out to rodeo rock at Isa


aboriginal athletes
aboriginal entertainers

so much to admire


renaming some sand...meaningless drivel
I agree, meaningless crap. They can rename what they like but Fraser Island and Ayers Rock are and will always remain just that.
They can stick their smoking ceremonies and welcome to country bullshit too. I don't and never will be welcomed to my country.
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Reply #92 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:27pm
 
chimera wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:33pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:26pm:
  Runes were not Danish but Germanic and Celtic, used from Ireland to the Baltics.

'In this database you can search on over 900 Danish runic inscriptions. Although the database itself is in Danish, there are English translations of the inscriptions'.

You miss the point that Latin alphabet is not Anglo Saxon, it came from Rome, the black fella Itie boongs who spoke Latin.

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If Aborigines were serious about returning to their pre-1788 ways they would have developed their own writing system.

Would you try to make any sense from that or just give up?

Runic and ogham alphabets
https://www.britannica.com/topic/alphabet-writing/Runic-and-ogham-alphabets

Latin alphabet, also called Roman alphabet... developed from the Etruscan alphabet at some time before 600 BCE, it can be traced through Etruscan, Greek, and Phoenician scripts to the North Semitic alphabet used in Syria and Palestine about 1100 BCE.
Ibid.


Anyway, I find it a little absurd that pre-literate people are appropriating what they never had (writing) to express their opposition to the cultural source (Europe) of that appropriated cultural artefact, namely writing.  And then mis-selling their own Aboriginal words.


It's like Jesus said onto Mary, "from now on you shall be known as Sharon"  Grin






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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #93 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:34pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:27pm:
Anyway, I find it a little absurd that pre-literate people are appropriating what they never had (writing) to express their opposition to the cultural source (Europe) of that appropriated cultural artefact, namely writing.  And then mis-selling their own Aboriginal words.



mis-selling. mis-selling?
Where did they appropriate the Qld Government's writing?
What opposition are you meaning?
Who says that K'Gari is misspelt (or mis-pronounced do you mean)?





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Reply #94 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:53pm
 
chimera wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:27pm:
Anyway, I find it a little absurd that pre-literate people are appropriating what they never had (writing) to express their opposition to the cultural source (Europe) of that appropriated cultural artefact, namely writing.  And then mis-selling their own Aboriginal words.



mis-selling. mis-spelling?
Where did they appropriate the Qld Government's writing?
What opposition are you meaning?
Who says that K'Gari is misspelt (or mis-pronounced do you mean)?



Mis-spelling.



On what possible grounds is K'gari the correct spelling of a Butchulla word that sounds like gurri. What does K'gari add to gurri that gurri doesn't already have? Almost needless to say that the transcribing languages with no writing system of their own IS itself a European, not Aboriginal, practice.  So they still completely rely on European culture to erase European names and re-instate Aboriginal ones.

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Reply #95 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:56pm
 
The Aboriginal word was carried verbally and still is. The Qld Government's writing is writing that's done by the Qld Government. You knew that.
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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #96 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:05pm
 
chimera wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 2:56pm:
The Aboriginal word was carried verbally and still is. The Qld Government's writing is writing that's done by the Qld Government. You knew that.


Meh....  They are manipulating the Qld Government.


Ms Van Wamelen said the change would greatly affect Butchulla people. "It's showing that respect for us as Traditional Owners and acknowledging our connection to country, especially for those old people and the ones that aren't with us today who fought for a long time," she said. "For us to honour that and it to officially become K'gari is a very significant thing to us."



Nobody would object if they wanted to add the Aboriginal word to the island name, Fraser Island. Replacing the name for everyone is what's not right.
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Reply #97 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:08pm:
I object to Aborigines using the Latin, white European alphabet.






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'It made him very popular with the international elite and, I have no doubt, in Beijing too'.

Chinese write in Chinese but Frank writes their word /beijing/ in the holy Latin gift from the gods.  I object to Frank being a white European when Trump is orange. Dunno what colour Chinese are or their funny scribble.  KEEP BEIJING OUT OF LATIN! 
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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #98 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:24pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:26pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 11:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 11:39am:
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:08pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

In my opinion, we shouldn't be totally erasing Anglo names
that were given to geographic formations or localities that
were—and are—historically important to the vast majority
of the current and largely white (-ish) population whose
ancestors originally settled here and made the country what
it is today, shedding a lot of sweat and tears doing so.

Why can we not simply hyphenate ancient and modern names?

Kunyani-Mt Wellington; Moreland-Merribek; Uluru-Ayers Rock;
K'gari-Fraser Island; Grampians-Gariwerd National Park;
McKenzies-Mikunung Wira Falls; Tumbulong-Darling Harbour;
Wadjemup-Rottnest Isand; etc etc etc.

And if we need to get overly-pedantic about all this naming
stuff, who gets the "right" to name something or somewhere?
Consider for example that Mt Wellington, Ayers Rock, the
Grampians, MacKenzie Falls, the Blue Mountains, the Olgas,
and Rottnest Island were all in existence thousands of years
before the Aborigines invaded the continent.      

(Yes, yes... I know it's a frivolous argument. but all the same...)




I object to Aborigines using the Latin, white European alphabet.

What's wrong with using their own???? If they are really first nations they should each use their own first national alphabets. Not too much to ask, is it??


I object to Danes using the Latin alphabet.  They should be using Runes.  Any use of the Latin Alphabet indicates a paucity of national pride.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



LOL!

Very stupid, Bbwianesque attempt at analogy.  Runes were not Danish but Germanic and Celtic, used from Ireland to the Baltics.


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Runic Danish

Old East Norse is in Sweden called Runic Swedish and in Denmark Runic Danish, but until the 12th century, the dialect was the same in the two countries. The dialects are called runic because the main body of text appears in the runic alphabet. Unlike Proto-Norse, which was written with the Elder Futhark alphabet, Old Norse was written with the Younger Futhark alphabet, which only had 16 letters. Due to the limited number of runes, some runes were used for a range of phonemes, such as the rune for the vowel u which was also used for the vowels o, ø and y, and the rune for i which was also used for e.

A change that separated Old East Norse (Runic Swedish/Danish) from Old West Norse was the change of the diphthong æi (Old West Norse ei) to the monophthong e, as in stæin to sten. This is reflected in runic inscriptions where the older read stain and the later stin. There was also a change of au as in dauðr into ø as in døðr. This change is shown in runic inscriptions as a change from tauþr into tuþr. Moreover, the øy (Old West Norse ey) diphthong changed into ø as well, as in the Old Norse word for "island".

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #99 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:32pm
 
In Old Java language of Indonesia, ka 'before proper names of persons'. Ke is abbreviated to k' as in Kebo being K'bo, a royal title.
The keratuan 'royal palace' is abbreviated to kraton.

Ka Gauri was the white goddess who created the K'Gari island, mountains forests and flowers, with people having the gift of reproduction. She became the island. Gauri is the white goddess of India who as Shakti became the land of India and as Parvati of the mountains made a love garden for Shiva king of gods, for reproduction. Gauri Parvati was the deity of Javanese queens who were identified with the goddess in the 14th century.

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Re: Fraser Island formally named K'gari
Reply #100 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:42pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:24pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 12:26pm:
mothra wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 11:41am:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 11:39am:
Frank wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 9:08pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 4th, 2022 at 7:39pm:

In my opinion, we shouldn't be totally erasing Anglo names
that were given to geographic formations or localities that
were—and are—historically important to the vast majority
of the current and largely white (-ish) population whose
ancestors originally settled here and made the country what
it is today, shedding a lot of sweat and tears doing so.

Why can we not simply hyphenate ancient and modern names?

Kunyani-Mt Wellington; Moreland-Merribek; Uluru-Ayers Rock;
K'gari-Fraser Island; Grampians-Gariwerd National Park;
McKenzies-Mikunung Wira Falls; Tumbulong-Darling Harbour;
Wadjemup-Rottnest Isand; etc etc etc.

And if we need to get overly-pedantic about all this naming
stuff, who gets the "right" to name something or somewhere?
Consider for example that Mt Wellington, Ayers Rock, the
Grampians, MacKenzie Falls, the Blue Mountains, the Olgas,
and Rottnest Island were all in existence thousands of years
before the Aborigines invaded the continent.      

(Yes, yes... I know it's a frivolous argument. but all the same...)




I object to Aborigines using the Latin, white European alphabet.

What's wrong with using their own???? If they are really first nations they should each use their own first national alphabets. Not too much to ask, is it??


I object to Danes using the Latin alphabet.  They should be using Runes.  Any use of the Latin Alphabet indicates a paucity of national pride.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



LOL!

Very stupid, Bbwianesque attempt at analogy.  Runes were not Danish but Germanic and Celtic, used from Ireland to the Baltics.


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Runic Danish

Old East Norse is in Sweden called Runic Swedish and in Denmark Runic Danish, but until the 12th century, the dialect was the same in the two countries. The dialects are called runic because the main body of text appears in the runic alphabet. Unlike Proto-Norse, which was written with the Elder Futhark alphabet, Old Norse was written with the Younger Futhark alphabet, which only had 16 letters. Due to the limited number of runes, some runes were used for a range of phonemes, such as the rune for the vowel u which was also used for the vowels o, ø and y, and the rune for i which was also used for e.

A change that separated Old East Norse (Runic Swedish/Danish) from Old West Norse was the change of the diphthong æi (Old West Norse ei) to the monophthong e, as in stæin to sten. This is reflected in runic inscriptions where the older read stain and the later stin. There was also a change of au as in dauðr into ø as in døðr. This change is shown in runic inscriptions as a change from tauþr into tuþr. Moreover, the øy (Old West Norse ey) diphthong changed into ø as well, as in the Old Norse word for "island".

[Source]

As usual it appears that Soren is mistaken.  Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



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Bbwian rang a friend! Friend Wiki!!

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1664861603/92#92

There's a link there Bbwian, a couple of notches up from Wiki.

Anyway, aborigines had no writing. They need to rely entirely on the European artefact of writing to repudiate European cultural heritage. THAT is very Bbwianesque.

Your attempt to introduce a Danish angle based on runes is as idiotic as we have come to expect from you.


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Reply #101 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:32pm
 
Most Danes were once illiterate too, once, Soren.  I don't hold it against you but you continually demonstrate it here, and now, all the time.  Being illiterate can be helped, just watch SBS-tv for the reading, writing show and they give you the helpline phone number at the end of every episode. What a shame that you often refuse to read what is presented to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #102 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:24pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:32pm:
Most Danes were once illiterate too, once, Soren.  I don't hold it against you but you continually demonstrate it here, and now, all the time.  Being illiterate can be helped, just watch SBS-tv for the reading, writing show and they give you the helpline phone number at the end of every episode. What a shame that you often refuse to read what is presented to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


That aphasia of yours is not improving, Bbwian.

Every population across the face of the Earth was illiterate in the distant past. EVEN the Irish, Bbwian.  Tsk, tsk  Tongue Tongue


But then the more curious and enterprising chappies invented all sorts of things. Some things that are more relevant to the environment than others. I can see how looking at kangaroos, the wheel and the cart are not things that naturally leap to mind. Other things, like writing, however, are not environmentally determined or relevant. So Aborigines never had the need for writing because their lives were far to confined and limited. Fine. Primitive, incurious, hemmed in by their own rigid, inescapable shackles of 'traditional' culture (VERY CONSERVATIVE, NO?? FORTY THOUSAND YEARS OF UNYIELDING CONSERVATISM. Positively Ur-Right Wing).

But then they get the boon of civilisation and SOME of them use these gifts to repudiate those who have given them these gifts. And the perpetually rancorous and resentful, like you, egg them on.
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Reply #103 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:37pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 3:42pm:
repudiate European cultural heritage.


Eliza Fraser was ship-wrecked, which is cultural heritage. She was a liar and sent to a mental hospital. Heritage hospital, probably, but in England. Is that cultural, and if so why? The Butchalla have the amount of cultural dominance that Frank allows. Zero. But they can apply through government channels to the Place Names of Qld Dept Environment. Same as Frank can.

China had many inventions before Europeans had them, with writing. Many Chinese are very academic today, beating Anglo Saxons. Frank is arguing for Chinese culture in Australia to prevail by its superiority.
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Reply #104 - Oct 5th, 2022 at 8:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 5:24pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 5th, 2022 at 4:32pm:
Most Danes were once illiterate too, once, Soren.  I don't hold it against you but you continually demonstrate it here, and now, all the time.  Being illiterate can be helped, just watch SBS-tv for the reading, writing show and they give you the helpline phone number at the end of every episode. What a shame that you often refuse to read what is presented to you.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


That aphasia of yours is not improving, Bbwian.

Every population across the face of the Earth was illiterate in the distant past. EVEN the Irish, Bbwian.  Tsk, tsk  Tongue Tongue


But then the more curious and enterprising chappies invented all sorts of things. Some things that are more relevant to the environment than others. I can see how looking at kangaroos, the wheel and the cart are not things that naturally leap to mind. Other things, like writing, however, are not environmentally determined or relevant. So Aborigines never had the need for writing because their lives were far to confined and limited. Fine. Primitive, incurious, hemmed in by their own rigid, inescapable shackles of 'traditional' culture (VERY CONSERVATIVE, NO?? FORTY THOUSAND YEARS OF UNYIELDING CONSERVATISM. Positively Ur-Right Wing).

But then they get the boon of civilisation and SOME of them use these gifts to repudiate those who have given them these gifts. And the perpetually rancorous and resentful, like you, egg them on.



Danes were once Vikings.  They used to go adventuring, rather than sit at home and grow old before their hearths.  They used to rape, burn, pillage more established folks because the established folk sat at home and grew old before their hearths.  Time to grow up, Soren and stop wandering the world like a child.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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