Aussie wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 8:16pm:

Fuqqn hell, you ARE deformed, arse. Hideous stinker.

Aussie wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 8:16pm:



Wasn't he the one who sent in vicious dogs to bite union members?

Bobby. wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 8:38pm:


Yup.

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 9:02pm:



It was at the wharves - many workers went to hospital from their injuries.
Peter Reith should have gone to jail for it but nothing happened.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 9:20pm:


WTF are you talking about?

You do realise we're talking union thugs which held Australia to ransom ... yeah?

Peter Reith stood up to these pricks and instituted reform because they were out of control thugs who thought they could always call the shots!

He's a bloody legend!

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 9:28pm:


History V2 revision 1 ?

The Waterfront dispute was one of the most disgraceful actions conspired between the employer and Government. People should have gone to prison over this one.

The government were openly horrified when the shell employment company setup under financed went broke 3 months before they were meant to. This meant that the lockouts were set in motion in May of 1998 instead of around October which would have made it the perfect election stunt as was planned and intended.

Peter Reith's name was connected to the very worst aspects of the arrangements that set this up.

The outcome of the dispute is not what most people believe.

Absolute nonsense! I must say I'm quite shocked at what I'm reading here tonight.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Australian_waterfront_dispute

We are talking CFMEU type Union here! Thugs! Stand over men! Lazy sods who hardly worked and yet had the nerve to demand unbelievable wages and conditions for doing SFA! And they had been getting away with it for decades. Australia's performance level on the waterfront was abysmally inefficient ... to the point where it had adversely affected our reputation with our trading partners!

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 11:28pm:



I remember one union member recounting the story on TV.   

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 11:10pm:


It's ridiculous to even begin to discuss inefficient operations from the POV that it is the worker's fault - they have little to no power or control over the way things are done.  As for such nonsenses as 'feather bedding' - look at the politicians and managers who receive an extra dose of cash and perks just for being possibly available some time to take over from someone else who is away for any reason.

Sorry - it doesn't work that way - being the boss doesn't entitle you to better treatment and perks than those who do the work.  MANY a company has destroyed itself by promoting this feudal baron style of silliness long outdated in any civilised modern society.

Business and economies are a symbiotic relationship - and if one side deliberately poisons the other, both die.

Reith was nothing more than the perfect example of the totally deluded ideologue who did his master's bidding without any real idea or thought himself....well DUH!

Easy - just return to a full Award system and nobody can whine that things are no good.... would pharken stabilise inflation and the economy, too for a start, since wage costs and industrial relations would be more predictable... and the rules so much more simple and easy to follow instead of trying to rort your way around them .....

I cannot train fools....

https://melbourneunitarian.org.au/files/beacons/Beacon-2020-11.pdf


In order to understand the propaganda being
disseminated by Patrick Corporation and the
federal government around the waterside dispute in
Sydney, it is important to recall the last time Patrick
Corporation decided to take on the union. There
were hard-to-forget tactics used by this company
against its workers then. Cast your minds back to
1998, when that company decided to sack its entire
waterside workforce.

the lockout, the scabs imported
to take the place of unionised workers? Do you
also recall the generous support offered by the
then Minister for Industrial Relations in the Howard
government, Peter Reith, in all of this illegal activity?
The Australian waterfront dispute of 1998 was
an event in Australian industrial relations history,
in which the Patrick Corporation undertook a
restructuring of their operations for the purpose
of dismissing their workforce. The restructuring
by Patrick Corporation was later ruled illegal by
Australian courts.
– ABC news report on the Waterfront Dispute,
April 1998

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 11:40pm:


Ok a few observations:

1. Grappler...you're clearly an intelligent person. I do value your posts and I thank you for taking the time to provide your input.

2. Unfortunately you're neglecting 1 very important element - history. The actual event isn't the whole picture. The history behind all this MUST be considered if you value context.

3. Any conversation in this topic needs to bear in mind the following reality:

• The existence of a subversive thug styled sub culture of self entitled employees backed by communist <---- that's right extreme left wing political puppeteers who essentially used these employees to control an entire industry which ultimately undermined Australia's reputation wrt its trading partners and affected our economy. Everything coming in and out of Australia was at the mercy of a bunch of bludgers who were paid ridiculous amounts of money and they essentially bludged for that money in return.

• This subversive sub culture stood in sharp contrast to other unions. The only other union which it resembled (from memory) was the notorious CFMEU.

NB : The information I'm providing in this post is largely gleaned from HOW we were taught back at Uni in the early 1990's as students. Even way back in 1990 - I recall studying about Australia's waterfront union issue which had reached boiling point a number of times back then. In 1996 Howard's Liberal govt won by a landslide <--- it was a massacre ... and they jumped in to fix the stuff that had been sitting in Labor's "too hard" basket. Our waterfront industry was affecting our economy and no amount of appeasing the militant styled union which effectively controlled it ... had worked. It was time to respond in kind - and that's exactly what Peter Reith did.

Edit : 1 last thing - employees do not control a business/enterprise. For starters they don't even own it. Let's break this down a tad. Grappler ... how would you like it if you started a business and employed a team of workers who told you what to do and how much you should pay them and who ordered you about wrt to their lunch breaks start/finish times and how much output they felt was sufficient? You'd be looking at an ineffective/inefficient and bankrupt enterprise very quickly. And your earlier comment about technology picking up the slack does not make sense either. Technology exists to help not pick up the slack of employees who hold the enterprise that employs them to ransom.

Look I could say a lot more but I've got to hang up a load of washing. Later?

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 9:21pm:


Reith was a deliberate liar going out of his way to assist Hayseed's bullshit about kids overboard.  And yes, Bobby is right....he did used animals to attack human beings, and that is reflective of the man's 'integrity.'

"a long battle with Alzheimer's".......yeas, I know, that is a darling expression of the media, but it is softshoe crap.  You might as well say that a bloke who perished after falling from a cliff top died after a glorious but short battle with gravity.

This bloke was a very willing political scum bag bottom dwelling lap dog, and his talents were ruthlessly exploited by Hayseed.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 8:22am:


Link.

Aussie wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 8:16am:



Fully Agree, a lying stinking piece of garbage who destroyed the life and career of a very popular and highly respected Navy Officer by twisting and distorting the evidence that Officer gave with relation to Children Overboard.    

http://sievx.com/testimony/individuals/CommanderNormanBanks.html

I had the privilege to attend a presentation by Captain Banks many years after this incident and in private to a few of us, he related the true story of this and how his initial signals and subsequent evidence was manipulated for purely political purposes.      Whilst Reith's Death from a debilitating illness is regrettable and comfort is extended to his family, it should never be forgotten what a political piece of detritus he really was.

Very interesting report by CMDR Banks.  Pity the media and the politicians were not interested in the truth.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 6:01am:


I remember the Police linking arms and facing away from the unionists to face the scabs.  Well done.  Howard and Co. lied all the way on that on the children overboard scandal.  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 4:06pm:


They don't want to be aware .... it would ruin their personal share portfolios...

Peter Reith will have trouble at the Pearly Gates.

St Peter will have tough questions for him.   

Bobby. wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 6:50am:

As will his boss, I guess ?

Former prime minister

John Howard

says

Peter Reith

was a “wonderful friend and great colleague” and he was very proud to support him as prime minister

.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 6:44am:



Don't forget the $230Bn and growing stolen from the National Treasury and parked in a tax haven and run by his mate Costello to guarantee that even WHEN they bring this country and its people to their knees their fat retirements will be guaranteed for eternity.

Bring Back The Stolen Future Fund!

What's the difference between a politician and a leech? 

A leech stops sucking blood out of you once it's been removed ....

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 10^th, 2022 at 11:26am:


Stick to growing chokos Loser! 

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 9^th, 2022 at 7:10am:


👆 And here is your only other contribution in this topic Redback. You're nothing but a nasty and vicious backstabbing troll irrespective of the id you use. 

... Why do they always bury politicians flat on their back, one foot under, and with one arm raised?

So they can continue to collect their handout.....

"Upon the death of a serving MP, their spouse receives an annuity equal to 5/ 6 of the rate of the retiring allowance which would have been payable had the MP not died. If the MP has served less than eight years at the time of death, the retiring allowance is calculated as if they had served eight years."

While it says 'serving MP' (etc) you can bet there has been a cunning interpretation of what that means.....

Gordon wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 8:37pm:


Did Peter Reith ever enter a school oval and pash a Boong?

Questions questions.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 8^th, 2022 at 9:21pm:


Not actually talking about his wife & children nor what killed him

talking about Reith the man, the politician

& the slime ball he was as a govt minister.

Gnads wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 1:20pm:


That's just aquascoot's (boring) shtick.

He always tries to put a positive spin on horrible people.

Ask him about Hitler and he'll say: "Snappy dresser, healthy eater, strong leader, very charismatic, and loved animals. Admirable guy".



It's so boring and predictable.

Gnads wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 1:25pm:


WTF is a TNUC?

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 1:34pm:


Spell it backwards

And that praising him ..... he was actually a dead tnuc ...... coz tnucs are useful.

Gnads wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 1:35pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 18^th, 2022 at 3:50pm:


Exactly ... Howard, Reith, Downer, Abbott & Costello  what a group of arseholes.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 19^th, 2022 at 6:17pm:

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Sorry but small business doesn't get off the hook because of competition.

Regardless of size of business if you can't afford to pay decent livable wages then you shouldn't be in business.

So the owners of those small businesses always looking to cut wages should either do the work themselves or work out a new business model.

Peter Reith somehow avoided trial for encouraging vicious dogs to maul workers -
giving them severe injuries requiring hospitalisation.
How would he have liked that to happen to him or his own family members?
He was a monster.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 2:36pm:


Exactly!

aquascoot wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2022 at 3:18pm:


Reith was the wrong man for the job; those warf dropouts needed some education, and instillment of some self-esteem, not a union-basher like Reith