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Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Reply #30 - Jan 1st, 2023 at 11:24pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1st, 2023 at 1:44pm:
...Data clearly shows 4 or more clot shots have highest number of hospital admissions, ICU admissions and deaths.

Nope, the data doesn't show that at all.   That you don't understand
statistics is what it shows.  Those figures are raw numbers, not rates.

With 95% of the population now at least partially if not fully vaccinated,
of course the number of people vaccinated will be higher than the number
of unvaccinated people in hospital or ICU.

To work out the odds of occupying an ICU bed if you aren’t vaccinated, 
look at the wider population numbers.  For example, in April 2022, adults
who had received fewer than two vaccines made up 5% of all people in
NSW, but they made up 25% of people in NSW intensive care units.

I bet you feel kinda stupid now?     Grin


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Reply #31 - Jan 2nd, 2023 at 9:44am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1st, 2023 at 1:44pm:
There is misinformation that being unvaxxed makes you many times more likely to end up in Hospital or ICU.
The data for NSW doesn't support this myth.

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NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 19 November 2022

         Data for hospital and ICU
Unvaxxed        0                 0
1 shot             4                 0
2 shots           59                4
3 shots          114               18
4 or more      214              23
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overvie...

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 26 November 2022
                   Hospital         ICU
Unvaxxed       3                  0
1 shot            6                  0
2 shots          80                10
3 shots          142               9
4 or more      249               12
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overvie...

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 03 December 2022
                    Hospital         ICU
Unvaxxed       0                   0
1 Clot shot     8                    3
2 clot shots    85                  4
3 clot shots    170                15
4 or more      296                 18
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overvie...

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 10 December 2022
                    hospital         icu
Unvaxxed       1                  0
1 shot            3                  1
2 shots          95                 11
3 shots          163               12
4 or more      345               31
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overvie...


Data clearly shows 4 or more clot shots have highest number of hospital admissions, icu admissions and deaths.

Those who are unvaxxed have the lowest rates.

Why are those with 4 or more clot shots having the highest number of serious infections?

Was Geert VandenBosssche who spent his life working for every major vaccine maker along with employment with Bill and Melinda Gates foundation right with these vaccines being a huge mistake?

When you induce (vaccine) your immune system to fight this virus it overpowers your innate (natural immune system) leaving you vulnerable to new variants. It can't be undone.Starting to look like Geert was right with this.

When we look at the numbers of those who have received clot shots the difference between those who have had 4 or more compared to none is stunning in hospital numbers.

The myth the unvaxxed are hospitalised for covid at far greater rates is busted it's bullshit. Does anyone want to do the maths on this?



Also I heard the production of Spike proteins is doubling every 6 months so you do the maths. It's genetic engineering at it's worse. No wonder the MSM has gone all quiet Wink
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Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Reply #32 - Jan 3rd, 2023 at 7:58pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 2nd, 2023 at 9:44am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1st, 2023 at 1:44pm:
There is misinformation that being unvaxxed makes you many times more likely to end up in Hospital or ICU.
The data for NSW doesn't support this myth.

Quote:
NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 19 November 2022

         Data for hospital and ICU
Unvaxxed        0                 0
1 shot             4                 0
2 shots           59                4
3 shots          114               18
4 or more      214              23
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overvie...

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 26 November 2022
                   Hospital         ICU
Unvaxxed       3                  0
1 shot            6                  0
2 shots          80                10
3 shots          142               9
4 or more      249               12
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overvie...

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 03 December 2022
                    Hospital         ICU
Unvaxxed       0                   0
1 Clot shot     8                    3
2 clot shots    85                  4
3 clot shots    170                15
4 or more      296                 18
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overvie...

NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report - week ending 10 December 2022
                    hospital         icu
Unvaxxed       1                  0
1 shot            3                  1
2 shots          95                 11
3 shots          163               12
4 or more      345               31
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overvie...


Data clearly shows 4 or more clot shots have highest number of hospital admissions, icu admissions and deaths.

Those who are unvaxxed have the lowest rates.

Why are those with 4 or more clot shots having the highest number of serious infections?

Was Geert VandenBosssche who spent his life working for every major vaccine maker along with employment with Bill and Melinda Gates foundation right with these vaccines being a huge mistake?

When you induce (vaccine) your immune system to fight this virus it overpowers your innate (natural immune system) leaving you vulnerable to new variants. It can't be undone.Starting to look like Geert was right with this.

When we look at the numbers of those who have received clot shots the difference between those who have had 4 or more compared to none is stunning in hospital numbers.

The myth the unvaxxed are hospitalised for covid at far greater rates is busted it's bullshit. Does anyone want to do the maths on this?



Also I heard the production of Spike proteins is doubling every 6 months so you do the maths. It's genetic engineering at it's worse. No wonder the MSM has gone all quiet Wink


In NSW they suggested Pfizer for those under 40 due to blood clots from AZ. Those who were over 40 had to take AZ or wait for Pfizer. For young people to avoid blood clots they had to risk getting myocarditis with Pfizer for a virus that had 99.9% survival rate.

Ausgeoff made claims yet he avoids my numerous questions on how effective vaccines really are when those under 60 have a 99.9% survival rate up to more deadly Delta variant with vax rate below 15%.

In the last month in NSW.
14.7% unvaxxed -  4 in hospital none in ICU
19.4% 4 or more shots - 1,104 in hospital 84 in ICU

8.21 million people in NSW

1,206,870 people unvaxxed in NSW.  1 in every 301,717 of them in hospital with none in ICU.

1,592,740 people have 4 or more shots. 1 in every 1,442 of them are in hospital with 84 in ICU

The numbers show the unvaxxed are doing far better than those who are fully vaxxed and up to date with their boosters which only appear to boost profits for big pharma.

With around 1 in 5 people fully vaxxed it appears many have said GGF not having more after having their coerced double shots
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Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Reply #33 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:04pm
 
Quote:
NSW Respiratory Surveillance Report – two weeks ending 31 December 2022

Vax status           Hospital       ICU
4 or more            810             58
3 doses               377             29
2 doses               218             17
1 dose                 10               1
Unvaxxed             0                0

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/weekly-covid-overvie...



Quote:
Reminder - 4th Jab Could Shut Down Your Immune System

https://twitter.com/Kukicat7/status/1611051891190030336


Did the lamestream media really have Dr Jennifer Ashton ABC News Chief medical correspondent saying that on TV?  Shocked

Was Geert Vandenbossche right when he said induced (vaccine) immunity from usless boosters can overpower your innate (natural ) immunity leaving you defenceless against new variants?
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Re: Reality check on vaccine narrative
Reply #34 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:04pm:
...Was Geert Vanden Bossche right when he said induced (vaccine) immunity from useless boosters can overpower your innate (natural ) immunity leaving you defenceless against new variants?

No, he was wrong.

Vaccines stimulate the humoral immune response without weakening
innate immunity. 

Immunisation may even enhance natural antibody response.


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Reply #35 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:09pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:04pm:
...Was Geert Vanden Bossche right when he said induced (vaccine) immunity from useless boosters can overpower your innate (natural ) immunity leaving you defenceless against new variants?

No, he was wrong.



Did you listen to Dr Jennifer Ashton the ABC chief medical corrsepondent in twitter link?

Geert was saying the exact same thing when vaccines were rolled out.
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Reply #36 - Jan 6th, 2023 at 8:50pm
 
interesting class action

Horse owners have launched a $53 million law suit against the pharmaceutical company responsible for developing the Hendra vaccine.

The owners, from New South Wales and Queensland, are claiming that Zoetis Australia PTY LTD did not provide adequate warnings about the potential side effects of the vaccine on their horses.

Half a million doses have been administered to horses across Australia since 2012.

About 1,500 horses have experienced adverse reactions and have not been able to return to their regular work.

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The barrister instructed by LHD Lawyers, John Rowe, said Zoetis failed to inform horse owners of the potential side effects and have breached the Agricultural and Veterinary Chemicals Act by failing to properly trial and test the vaccine before its release.

"The reality is the vets that administered the vaccination initially didn't give the owners any warning at all," Mr Rowe said.

"Many of the horse owners would not have agreed to the inoculation had they been warned of the possible side effects."

Class action a risk: company
Damages are being sought for any individual horse owner whose horse was effected by the vaccine resulting in death or loss of use.

Michael Hyland, special counsel for LHD Lawyers, says the owners that are part of the class action had suffered significantly.

"It's had a profound impact on the horse owners and it's something they are struggling to come to terms with," Mr Hyland said.



what is also interesting is that vets introduced a very similar mandate to covid.
you had to get every horse vaxxed every year (at a cost of about $120 a shot) and if you didnt , those horses would not be attended by vets.

sound familiar  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #37 - Jan 7th, 2023 at 8:21pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:51pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 6th, 2023 at 7:04pm:
...Was Geert Vanden Bossche right when he said induced (vaccine) immunity from useless boosters can overpower your innate (natural ) immunity leaving you defenceless against new variants?

No, he was wrong.

Vaccines stimulate the humoral immune response without weakening
innate immunity. 

Immunisation may even enhance natural antibody response.





This should settle the arguments.

https://mobile.twitter.com/based_seattle/status/1611093673437196288
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Reply #38 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 6:53pm
 
8.21 million people in NSW

14.7% unvaxxed
19.4% 4 or more clot shots

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Reply #39 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:19pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
8.21 million people in NSW

14.7% unvaxxed
19.4% 4 or more clot shots



LOL... I can't believe you're still misinterpreting these data.  Even after I've
explained it a couple of times here!

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These are raw numbers, and not the rate of admission for each group.

I'll try again:

Look at it this way: imagine 100% of people in a population are vaccinated
but a small proportion can still get infected. If any of these people end up
in ICU, then of course 100% of people in ICU are vaccinated.

But the effectiveness of the vaccine hasn’t changed. So as vaccination rates
climb, the numbers of vaccinated people in ICU does too.

In Australia, 84.3% of the population are fully vaccinated, which explains the
higher number of vaccinated people in ICU
—as only 13.4% are unvaccinated.

This means you have to look at the RATE (n per 100,000) of vaccinated to
unvaccinated in ICU rather than the raw number.   Can I make it any clearer?




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Reply #40 - Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:51pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:19pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
8.21 million people in NSW

14.7% unvaxxed
19.4% 4 or more clot shots



LOL... I can't believe you're still misinterpreting these data.  Even after I've
explained it a couple of times here!

https://i.postimg.cc/28xrSJms/ICU-1.jpg

These are raw numbers, and not the rate of admission for each group.

I'll try again:

But the effectiveness of the vaccine hasn’t changed. So as vaccination rates
climb, the numbers of vaccinated people in ICU does too.

In Australia, 84.3% of the population are fully vaccinated, which explains the
higher number of vaccinated people in ICU
—as only 13.4% are unvaccinated.

This means you have to look at the RATE (n per 100,000) of vaccinated to
unvaccinated in ICU rather than the raw number.   Can I make it any clearer?



The effectiveness of the vaccine has changed those who make it say it doesn't work as well with Omicron which is why they are working new vaccines. More bullshit from you.

The hospital and vax rates i have are for NSW. It's dishonest to use vax figures for Australia when we are comparing vax rates in NSW to Hospital and ICU in NSW. Another attempt at bullshit from you. Victoria stopped publishing vax rates for those in Hospital they have that data they don't want to share it. I suspect NSW will also stop publishing this data.

We have had 0 unvaxxed people in ICU for the last 3 months so your suggested rate of n per 100K is currently 0 per 100k it can't get any lower than that.

Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

In NSW
14.7% unvaxxed
85.3% 1 shot
83.4% 2 shots, are adverse effects like Keryn Phelps and her wife had the reason for this 2% drop with getting a second shot?
53.4% has 3 shots, why did 30% of NSW say stuff it not having a 3rd shot?
19.4% have 4 or more.
We have vax rates and hospital-icu numbers for these vax rates.

Since we're just over a year from our double dose numbers with boosters suggested every 6 months we only have 19.4% fully vaxxed in NSW. This 19.4% of our population are leading the numbers for hospital icu and deaths.

Are you suffering from Dementia, Senility or just stupidity Old Boomer?
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Reply #41 - Jan 10th, 2023 at 11:55pm
 
It looks like Pfizer lied again
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Reply #42 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 12:00am
 
Director of the CDC Rochelle Walensky on video saying vaccinated people don't carry the virus they don't get sick

https://twitter.com/loudclown/status/1612529547018399744

Those with 4 or more shots in NSW have the highest numbers per 100K for hospital ICU and deaths.
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Reply #43 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 1:53pm
 
More gaslighting the gullible masses.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/qbLt1e0rukPU/
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Reply #44 - Jan 11th, 2023 at 7:30pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:51pm:
AusGeoff wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 11:19pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 8th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
8.21 million people in NSW

14.7% unvaxxed
19.4% 4 or more clot shots



LOL... I can't believe you're still misinterpreting these data.  Even after I've
explained it a couple of times here!

https://i.postimg.cc/28xrSJms/ICU-1.jpg

These are raw numbers, and not the rate of admission for each group.

I'll try again:

But the effectiveness of the vaccine hasn’t changed. So as vaccination rates
climb, the numbers of vaccinated people in ICU does too.

In Australia, 84.3% of the population are fully vaccinated, which explains the
higher number of vaccinated people in ICU
—as only 13.4% are unvaccinated.

This means you have to look at the RATE (n per 100,000) of vaccinated to
unvaccinated in ICU rather than the raw number.   Can I make it any clearer?



The effectiveness of the vaccine has changed those who make it say it doesn't work as well with Omicron which is why they are working new vaccines. More bullshit from you.

The hospital and vax rates i have are for NSW. It's dishonest to use vax figures for Australia when we are comparing vax rates in NSW to Hospital and ICU in NSW. Another attempt at bullshit from you. Victoria stopped publishing vax rates for those in Hospital they have that data they don't want to share it. I suspect NSW will also stop publishing this data.

We have had 0 unvaxxed people in ICU for the last 3 months so your suggested rate of n per 100K is currently 0 per 100k it can't get any lower than that.

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In NSW
14.7% unvaxxed
85.3% 1 shot
83.4% 2 shots, are adverse effects like Keryn Phelps and her wife had the reason for this 2% drop with getting a second shot?
53.4% has 3 shots, why did 30% of NSW say stuff it not having a 3rd shot?
19.4% have 4 or more.
We have vax rates and hospital-icu numbers for these vax rates.

Since we're just over a year from our double dose numbers with boosters suggested every 6 months we only have 19.4% fully vaxxed in NSW. This 19.4% of our population are leading the numbers for hospital icu and deaths.

Are you suffering from Dementia, Senility or just stupidity Old Boomer?


thats a telling stat and the absolute silence from the authorities MUST make you think something is up.

the covid debacle has probably made a lot of people lose faith in other vaccines .

we might see some tetanus and hep b and other serious diseases which could be prevented, having an uptick, because vaccines are clearly on the nose (at least with 80.6 % of the populationin the case of covid vac )
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