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The submarine fiasco continues.
Aug 10^th, 2023 at 3:43pm

The submarine fiasco continues.

We are paying $40 billion each for subs costing $5 billion each -
it's a scandal but both the Libbos and the Labs say it's a good deal.
9 subs for $360 billion. WTF ?
Would you pay 8 times the price for anything?
Are the Pollys getting money in Swiss bank accounts ? -
it's obvious corruption.

check out the prices:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia-class_submarine

In April 2019, the CRS reported that the Navy estimated the cost of a boat was $2.8 billion.[1] In July 2023, the CRS reported that the Navy estimates at the present production rate of two boats per year that the cost per boat when equipped with the additional Virginia Payload Module (VPM) mid-body section was $4.3 billion.

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #1 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 4:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 3:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 3:28pm:

chimera wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 3:26pm:

Australia has a king in the North Atlantic and pays for his man in Canberra. Also $268 bn-$368bn Mickey Mouse money for some submersible boats.

We are paying $40 billion each for subs costing $5 billion each -
it's a scandal but both the Libbos and the Labs say it's a good deal.

9 subs for $360 billion.

Bobby, this has been explained to you several times before. Stop being a silly fellow. The $360 billion the Subs are costing is being paid for training, for the establishment of a naval ship building facility in Adelaide and for preparations to actually build the submarines. It is also spread over a period of 30 years and is not the upfront costs for the submarines. If you repeat this bullshit myth again, you will demonstrate once and for all, that you're an idiot. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103090 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The submarine fiasco continues. Reply #2 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 4:49pm Quote: training, for the establishment of a naval ship building facility in Adelaide Wow - that costs a lot of money.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: The submarine fiasco continues. Reply #3 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 5:53pm You have more than ably demonstrated you are an idiot, Bobby. I do not know why you continue with this bullshit line. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #4 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 7:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

You have more than ably demonstrated you are an idiot, Bobby. I do not know why you continue with this bullshit line. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
ad homs are not required -

we are getting like Africa -
we're being raped of our resources and money by corrupt overseas entities
that pay off the decision makers here.

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #5 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:07pm

Four Corners Shadow State

8:32PM - 9:15PM

How consultants infiltrated government.
Firms push ethical boundaries and cost billions of dollars with little transparency and almost no accountability.

Also:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-07/kpmg-consultants-overcharging-defence-fou...

Consulting firm KPMG overcharged Defence while raking in billions of dollars, whistleblowers say

Four Corners

By Angus Grigg, Jessica Longbottom, Jonathan Miller and Maddison Connaughton

see it online here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-08-07/shadow-state:-how-consultants-infiltrated...

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #6 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 3:43pm:

The submarine fiasco continues.

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We are paying $40 billion each for subs costing $5 billion each -
it's a scandal but both the Libbos and the Labs say it's a good deal.
9 subs for $360 billion. WTF ?
Would you pay 8 times the price for anything?
Are the Pollys getting money in Swiss bank accounts ? -
it's obvious corruption.

check out the prices:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia-class_submarine

In April 2019, the CRS reported that the Navy estimated the cost of a boat was $2.8 billion.[1] In July 2023, the CRS reported that the Navy estimates at the present production rate of two boats per year that the cost per boat when equipped with the additional Virginia Payload Module (VPM) mid-body section was $4.3 billion.

The thing about it is, we only really use the US made military stuff when the yanks get us involve with one of their conflicts. It's like we are buying it off them for when they need to use it in the future.

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #7 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:46pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:41pm:

The thing about it is, we only really use the US made military stuff when the yanks
get us involved with one of their conflicts.
It's like we are buying it off them for when they need to use it in the future.

That's the deal -
unless we get involved in all their wars they won't help us if China invades us.

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5396 Gender:	Re: The submarine fiasco continues. Reply #8 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:50pm This has been explained to you by myself and Brian on several occasions Bobby. If you don't understand it by now there is no point trying any further.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 103090 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The submarine fiasco continues. Reply #9 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:53pm Belgarion wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:50pm: This has been explained to you by myself and Brian on several occasions Bobby. If you don't understand it by now there is no point trying any further. Try again to explain why we are paying 8 times the correct price?
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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #10 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:46pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:41pm:

The thing about it is, we only really use the US made military stuff when the yanks
get us involved with one of their conflicts.
It's like we are buying it off them for when they need to use it in the future.

That's the deal -
unless we get involved in all their wars they won't help us if China invades us.

You really are an ignoramus, Bobby. I have explained several times before, China has no intention of invading Australia, we are simply too far for them to even contemplate mounting such operation. "Professionals argue logistics, amateurs argue strategy" so said Napoleon over 200 years ago. True then, true today. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #11 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:53pm:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:50pm:

This has been explained to you by myself and Brian on several occasions Bobby. If you don't understand it by now there is no point trying any further. Roll Eyes

Try again to explain why we are paying 8 times the correct price?

Because we need to train people, to build, to run the Submarines and such things do not come cheap. Bobby, you are demonstrating your foolishness time after time. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #12 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:46pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:41pm:

The thing about it is, we only really use the US made military stuff when the yanks
get us involved with one of their conflicts.
It's like we are buying it off them for when they need to use it in the future.

That's the deal -
unless we get involved in all their wars they won't help us if China invades us.

You really are an ignoramus, Bobby. I have explained several times before, China has no intention of invading Australia, we are simply too far for them to even contemplate mounting such operation. "Professionals argue logistics, amateurs argue strategy" so said Napoleon over 200 years ago. True then, true today. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Nonsense -
China would love to get all our resources for free. Roll Eyes

China has the largest navy in the world.

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #13 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:46pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 8:41pm:

The thing about it is, we only really use the US made military stuff when the yanks
get us involved with one of their conflicts.
It's like we are buying it off them for when they need to use it in the future.

That's the deal -
unless we get involved in all their wars they won't help us if China invades us.

You really are an ignoramus, Bobby. I have explained several times before, China has no intention of invading Australia, we are simply too far for them to even contemplate mounting such operation. "Professionals argue logistics, amateurs argue strategy" so said Napoleon over 200 years ago. True then, true today. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Nonsense -
China would love to get all our resources for free. Roll Eyes

China has the largest navy in the world.

And it is designed to operate close to China's shores in the South China Sea, Bobby. It lacks training and experience to undertake operations elsewhere, further away from China. We are over 4,500 Km from the nearest part of the Chinese mainland. No one has attempted an operation of such a distance. China would need to conquer several other countries first before it contemplated an operation against Australia, I am sure the Philippines and Indonesia might get a little upset at that happening. Run along, little man, hide under your bridge Troll. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: The submarine fiasco continues.
Reply #14 - Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2023 at 9:41pm:

And it is designed to operate close to China's shores in the South China Sea, Bobby. It lacks training and experience to undertake operations elsewhere, further away from China. We are over 4,500 Km from the nearest part of the Chinese mainland. No one has attempted an operation of such a distance. China would need to conquer several other countries first before it contemplated an operation against Australia, I am sure the Philippines and Indonesia might get a little upset at that happening. Run along, little man, hide under your bridge Troll. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

get real comrade Brian,
Australia wouldn't stand a chance against the Chinese super power.

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