freediver wrote on Nov 1
st, 2023 at 12:20pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 1
st, 2023 at 12:00pm:
freediver wrote on Oct 31
st, 2023 at 7:20am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30
th, 2023 at 9:33am:
freediver wrote on Oct 29
th, 2023 at 10:33am:
Quote:I blame the UN for creating this abortion Israel
Israel was created by the locals. Not by the UN. I know you think that the paperwork is more important than the reality, but that is naive.
Wrong as usual; Israel came into being as a result of the demise of the British empire immediately after WW2, and the concurrent invention of the UN in late 1945, taking over the British Palestine Mandate.
As usual you continue to ignore the cause of the UN's incompetence re international law; yours is an ideology of 'freedom in death' rather than 'freedom in life', owing to your delusional "individual rights" ideology.
Quote:Can you explain why the only Jewish majority state in existence is a liberal democracy,
...A "liberal democracy" complicit in the oppression and displacement of Palestinians by FITH "Promised Land" ideologues, condemned by a majority of the UN's member states.
Quote:despite having everything pitched against it, while every Muslim majority nation is either a third world shithole or heading in that direction? Do you think the results might reflect the differences in the ideologies?
Laughable: the world's wealthiest superpower, itself a liberal democracy unable to eradicate poverty, and engaged in endless wars to maintain its global hegemony, supports Israel with $trillions in military support.
And ofcourse the US is largely responsible for the destruction of social and economic development in the ME, eg the CIA backed overthrow of the democratically elected socialist Mossadegh government in Iran in 1953.
The UN did not create Israel. The locals did. It was left entirely up to them.
FD...a half-wit or ideolgue...take your pick.
The British lied to the Arabs, and encouraged the vision of a Jewish state - (that's why a mentally disturbed - by guilt - Lawrence committed suicide... 'by reckless speed)...hence increasing emigration of Jews to Palestine.
Of course these Jews jumped at the opportunities offered by the UN Palestine partition plan
Quote:How many soldiers or peacekeepers do you think the UN had on the ground at the time?
None. Whereas the UN should have guaranteed the security of both sides in the argument, the UNSC then and now has 99% of the world's military force.
The opportunity was not offered by the UN. It was offered by the power vacuum left by the British.
wrong as always.
the brits begged the UN to take over the mandate - because the UN had been created.
the UN proposed the partition plan - accepted by Israel of course, but not by the arabs in Palestine.
but the UN was incompetent, re ovrseeing a successful partition
Quote:That is what the Israelis acted on to create Israel. They were faced with the reality on the ground, not the paperwork at the UN.
see where blind partisan ideology leads you?
the UN proposed and voted for the partition, the jews enacted the de facto creation of Israel by force.
your sneering reference to 'paperwork at the UN' doesn't excuse what happened subsequently.
...based on your age-old ideology of
'freedom OR death', rather than the UN's novel proposal of
freedom AND life. pity about your delusional, illusory 'inherent individual rights' nonsense...
those who live by the sword.....
Think of all the radicalization going on in Islamic countries as a result of the current genocide in Gaza; the only way to prevent the vicious cycle of revenge and "terrorism" is through effective international law, in this case implementation of UN res 242, with security guaranteed by the UNSC.
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