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Question: Should we give foreign aid to Palestine

We should stop aid to Palestine    
  10 (55.6%)
We should fund Islamic terrorists    
  2 (11.1%)
We're broke no aid unless it's disaster relief    
  6 (33.3%)




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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #45 - Dec 7th, 2023 at 11:04pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 9:44pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 10:50pm:
We give Palestine over $30 million a year in foreign aid.


I doubt any of it comes from you, dear boy   Wink


It comes from every single Australian citizen, Greg - as you well know.... we ALL pay tax every time we pay for anything.... it's not just about income tax, you know....

Individuals and other withholding taxes       46.0       45.6       46.3       47.1       46.5
Superannuation fund taxes       2.3       1.9       2.5       2.6       2.8
Company tax       19.3       19.6       18.9       18.3       18.3
Petroleum rent resource tax       0.3       0.3       0.3       0.2       0.2
GST       13.7       13.6       13.6       13.5       13.8
Total excise and customs duty       8.0       8.8       8.3       8.2       8.3
Major bank levy       0.3       0.3       0.3       0.3       0.3
Other tax revenue       2.6       2.8       2.8       2.8       2.8
Non-tax revenue       7.4       7.2       7.0       6.9       7.0

So depending on what you include here, a person in receipt of pension ONLY perhaps with a tiny super fund could be paying tax as high as 25-30%, maybe more!!  And without the income level to support this!!

Some of you need to get a life and a brain and start thinking.... even GST says nearly 14% - what pensioner can afford 14% on top of everything else? $70 while they're sleeping - AND it will be more than that since the lowest incomes have to spend more in areas that cost them GST!!!**  You with me yet? Excise on everything?  Paying companies for company tax?  Paying the banks for the levy?

Say a pensioner gets $500 a week - $150 leaves the door instantly while they sleep as taxes... that leaves $350 to live on..... you with me yet?  Someone goes to work - earns $1200 a week - 32% income tax (haven't got time to do the real figures but let's say filters down to 20%) + 30% is out of their pocket before they wake up.... maybe a little different, but what does that leave when 50% is gone instantly out of $1200?  $600 .....  you won't be in the casino at Monte Carlo with that!!

You need to be in some grift that has tax dodges to make any money here today in Australia - but you have no choice about your being taxed to provide money to terrorists and New Deep South Plantation Owners.

**GST is THE most insidious tax for removing more and more from the very lowest paid in the land... you lot really need to wake up.  NOW THEN - ABOUT THAT TAX REFORM!!!???  ALBO???  VOLDEMORT?  GET GOING ON IT!!  You've all got far more important work to do than working out how to rob the Australian people of their democratic right to a vote and to have that vote heeded by you!!

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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #46 - Jan 23rd, 2024 at 7:12am
 
What evidence is there that the Palestinians are willing and able to build a functioning society?

None. Every time they are given the choice to build a functioning society or to kill Jews, they invariably go for the latter.

Palestinians are simply not interested in creating a Palestinian society or state, they are only interested in, and are defined by, hating the Jews and wanting to kill them. Palestinians are the Israelis' "new-caught, sullen peoples, half devil and half child".

If the Jews disappeared from Israel overnight, Palestinians would run the place into the ground within weeks and sink back into barren, fractious, slovenly torpor. There is nothing to being 'Palestinians' beyond Jew killing, resentment and spite.

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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #47 - Jan 23rd, 2024 at 7:47am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2023 at 9:44pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 14th, 2023 at 10:50pm:
We give Palestine over $30 million a year in foreign aid.


I doubt any of it comes from you, dear boy   Wink



Baron should be very proud of the fact that he is not financing the overweight whining complaining sooks in Gaza
I wonder if there is a gofundme for Noble Australians to donate towards drones and munitions for the wonderful Israeli people

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Reply #48 - Jan 27th, 2024 at 6:11pm
 
'ello, 'ello, 'ello, whassis, then?




Australia pauses funding for United Nations agency amid October 7 terror allegations

6:06PM JANUARY 27, 2024
Australia has paused funding for a key United Nations agency in Gaza after allegations emerged some staff were involved in the October 7 attacks.

On Friday, UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) commissioner-general Philippe Lazzarini revealed Israeli authorities had provided information about the alleged involvement of “several” employees in the attack.

“To protect the agency’s ability to deliver humanitarian assistance, I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these staff members and launch an investigation in order to establish the truth without delay,” he said.

“These shocking allegations come as more than 2 million people in Gaza depend on lifesaving assistance that the Agency has been providing since the war began. Anyone who betrays the fundamental values of the United Nations also betrays those whom we serve in Gaza.”


On Saturday, Australia’s Foreign Minister, Senator Penny Wong, released a statement saying the allegations were “deeply concerning” and funding for the agency would be “temporarily paused”.

“We welcome UNRWA’s immediate response, including terminating contracts and launching an investigation, as well as its recent announcement of a full investigation into allegations against the organisation,” she said.
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Reply #49 - Jan 27th, 2024 at 10:30pm
 
12 UNRWA workers on video taking part in Oct 7th terrorist attack.

Over 3000 UNRWA workers social media accounts show links to Hamas.

Why did it take Penny Wrong so long to act?

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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #50 - Jan 28th, 2024 at 5:08am
 
Why aren't they in Git'Mo awaiting trial in twenty years or more?

We should stop giving to a lot of groups..... starting at home...................

Free the tent cities first!
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Reply #51 - Jan 28th, 2024 at 10:38pm
 
Once again, all of you have no real understanding of complexities of world politics, and its effect on humanity.   If you dont want to get involved in the middle east, then be prepared to pay alot higher prices. 

The children dying in Palestine were not terrorists.   Develop some empathy and imagine just for one second, that you are the parent or grand parent of one of those children.
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Reply #52 - Jan 28th, 2024 at 10:50pm
 
The Children of Palestine HAMAS were indeed Terrorists.
From stone throwing to rejoicing in joy at the sight of Israeli hostages under duress. All captured on film chanting "Death to Jews".
Those little Terrorists wanting to become big Terrorists one day.
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Reply #53 - Jan 28th, 2024 at 10:58pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 28th, 2024 at 10:50pm:
The Children of Palestine HAMAS were indeed Terrorists.
From stone throwing to rejoicing in joy at the sight of Israeli hostages under duress. All captured on film chanting "Death to Jews".
Those little Terrorists wanting to become big Terrorists one day.


And what would you have done Jasin?  If your children, or your brother were all killed by bombs and tanks.  Will you just lay down and die?
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Reply #54 - Jan 28th, 2024 at 11:06pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 28th, 2024 at 10:58pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 28th, 2024 at 10:50pm:
The Children of Palestine HAMAS were indeed Terrorists.
From stone throwing to rejoicing in joy at the sight of Israeli hostages under duress. All captured on film chanting "Death to Jews".
Those little Terrorists wanting to become big Terrorists one day.


And what would you have done Jasin?  If your children, or your brother were all killed by bombs and tanks.  Will you just lay down and die?

He who cast the first stone, was a Terrorist called HAMAS.

Israel has, with the UN. Done its best to help Palestinians/Palestine with many concessions, peaceful solutions and even to the 'advantage' of Palestine by majority - but every effort during every decade, the Palestinian (Terrorist) response was just "Death to Israel and Jews!"
So when the people of HAMAS butchered, raped, murdered, executed unarmed citizens of Israel during a music concert - they were asking for their martyrdom by bombs and tanks.

Do you think USA shouldn't have responded against the Japanese because of Pearl Harbour?
Do you think the USA and Britain should not respond to the Houthi attacks from Yemen?
Do you think the Ukrainians shouldn't respond to Russia's invasion?

Hiding behind 'Women & Children' being genocided is as bad as a HAMAS Terrorist using them as Shields.

Come now Tickle & Rose. Do you think Israeli soldiers should just go after the heavily armed HAMAS terrorists with just baseball and cricket bats so as not to harm the 'guilty by association' Women and Children who use 'emotional blackmail' of themselves in support of their Terrorist men?
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Reply #55 - Jan 28th, 2024 at 11:08pm
 
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Reply #56 - Jan 28th, 2024 at 11:26pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 28th, 2024 at 11:06pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 28th, 2024 at 10:58pm:
Jasin wrote on Jan 28th, 2024 at 10:50pm:
The Children of Palestine HAMAS were indeed Terrorists.
From stone throwing to rejoicing in joy at the sight of Israeli hostages under duress. All captured on film chanting "Death to Jews".
Those little Terrorists wanting to become big Terrorists one day.


And what would you have done Jasin?  If your children, or your brother were all killed by bombs and tanks.  Will you just lay down and die?

He who cast the first stone, was a Terrorist called HAMAS.

Israel has, with the UN. Done its best to help Palestinians/Palestine with many concessions, peaceful solutions and even to the 'advantage' of Palestine by majority - but every effort during every decade, the Palestinian (Terrorist) response was just "Death to Israel and Jews!"
So when the people of HAMAS butchered, raped, murdered, executed unarmed citizens of Israel during a music concert - they were asking for their martyrdom by bombs and tanks.

Do you think USA shouldn't have responded against the Japanese because of Pearl Harbour?
Do you think the USA and Britain should not respond to the Houthi attacks from Yemen?
Do you think the Ukrainians shouldn't respond to Russia's invasion?

Hiding behind 'Women & Children' being genocided is as bad as a HAMAS Terrorist using them as Shields.

Come now Tickle & Rose. Do you think Israeli soldiers should just go after the heavily armed HAMAS terrorists with just baseball and cricket bats so as not to harm the 'guilty by association' Women and Children who use 'emotional blackmail' of themselves in support of their Terrorist men?

You must have watched the debate carried out in Oxford university with Ben Shapiro.   Of all of the right wing debater out there.  I admire him the most, as he is smart and very quick thinking.

He put forth the argument that what Israel did in Gaza is justified, just as allied destruction, and killing of German population especially towards end of WW2 was justified.  And later on, this was morphed into other countries and conflict. 

When the allies bombed German, and Japan during WW2, and vice verse, it was to cripple the productive capability and infrastructure.  The objectives were clear.   So the purpose, was that eventually, German  / Japan would not able to replenish their war inventory, and thus leads to their defeat.

In Gaza.  We know that the Hamas is underground, its productive facilities does not exist in Gaza itself.  It was made else where, with fundings from else where.   And after decades of bombing, invasion, occupations and arrests, it is clear that there will be no military solution to this conflict.   The only reason that the bombs were dropped at the rate higher than even back in WW2 against Japan and German per meter square - is that, to cause as much carnage as possible on to the civilian population. 

The stats and numbers do not lie. 

As of December 30, 2023 Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor estimated Gaza Strip deaths as 30,034 total and civilian deaths at 27,681 which would mean about 2,353 militant deaths.
The US in all of its wars against ISIS, dropped ONE 2000 pound bomb.  Where as the Israeli government dropped hundreds
Over 70% of civilian housing are destroyed in Gaza. 

 It is not like they are going after HAMAS terrorists with baseball and crickets balls.  No, they are going after the civilians with bombs and shells.
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Reply #57 - Jan 28th, 2024 at 11:39pm
 
You sound like a smart chick Tick.

Israel, although the Left/Media expect them to act like Nazi's and gas the 'helpless' Palestinians, in gas chambers.
Israel does its best to exist as a Military nation (more than religious one) upon the most 'Professional' level possible.

The USA was a close third to Nazi's and Soviets when it came to 'atrocities' of War in WW2 in Europe. Those three were far from the pack of other nations in this.

So there is a 'state of being' when it comes to Military action that asks for Professionalism. Though only a few nations aim for this. Pol Pot obviously didn't.

Now what we have here with Palestine come HAMAS is that Mohommedism has its Holy War based against Christianity, not Jews. It's the basis of why their Religion was created in the first place. You could say...
Europe stole Religion from the Middle-East (Judaism) and called it Christianity. Mohommedism was invented to get it back.
With this said - HAMAS is going 'against the grain' when attacking Israel. Especially when Islam is readying its last Great Jihad against Christian Europe (specifically France).
This 'cause' will bring about the effect that Palestine will cease to exist, not from being 'conquered', but by self-destructing... like a terrorist blowing himself up.
So, in essence - when you see all those Palestinians around the world Protesting and Promoting their 'existence' overseas. You could say "Now you know what it was like for the Jews when they had no homeland."
What goes around, comes around.  Wink
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Reply #58 - Jan 29th, 2024 at 12:29am
 
Hi Jason, I think you have misunderstood the entire Israel and Palestine situation.   Let me repeat this… there is NO military solution to this.    Lets look at the numbers. 

Israel was attacked by Hamas on 7/10/2023.  We are now into the 4th months of conflict.   The death toll at as of at 31/12/2023, was 30,034 total and civilian deaths at 27,681 which would mean about 2,353 militant deaths.  Conservative estimate of the number of HAMAS fighters prior to the conflict sits between 25000 and 30000 depending on source.   So this means, assuming HAMAS stopped recruiting all this time,  the Israeli government has to kill at least further 250 thousand to complete its objective.   But is it possible.

Absolutely NOT!
1.  The Israeli government was only able to kill 27000 civilians at the direct cost of 220 million US dollars a day over a period of 2 months.   In order to kill another 250000, it would mean the war will have to drag on for another 20 months.   
2. Remember, 220 million is only the direct cost.  The indirect cost of pulling productive young men and women from their usual jobs into the reservist,  would be unmeasurable.   It could cripple the entire Israel economy. 
3. From the actual picture of HAMA fighters, you can easily say that they are a band of low cost soldiers.  Perhaps the entire 25000 fighters can live within expenditure of 10000 US dollars a day.  It would be exceptionally cheap to maintain.  And with mounting increase to civilian casualty, they will have endless supplies of foreign funding and recruits.   But how long, can Israel sustain 220 million dollars a day?  A year?  2 years?  5 years?
4. Even if you killed the entire HAMAS army, with this amount of destruction, there will absolutely no question that there will be HAMAS 2.0, 2.5, 3.0 within the next few years.

To make it all simple.  War is like... running a business.  Is current Israeli attack is going to:
1) Stop recruits from joining HAMAS?  NO, its going to increase
2) Stop HAMAS from obtaining more foreign funds?  NO. Its going to increase.
3) Stop HAMAS from receiving more war inventory? NO. Its going to increase.
4) Stop HAMAS gaining more allies?  NO, its going to increase.
So its not going to work.

And that is not even taken into account, if the crisis will escalate to neighbouring countries. 

You see, paradoxically, all of you people who support Israel action is actually making average Jewish people less secure, less safe  in the long run.   Continue down this path, Israel is looking at economic disaster, and more enemies around its borders.   War is never the solution. 
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Reply #59 - Jan 29th, 2024 at 2:49am
 
Very smart post indeed Tickle&Rose. I'm impressed.
And of course, I think you are very right in what you posted there.
But you know, there is always more than just 'one' right answer and more than just Maths to explain the universe as well.

Let's take Russia & China. How would you go about voiding them (defeating them) Politically and Militarily?
Easy. Make them War against each other.  Wink The two 'bad guys' cancelling each other out.
With Israel and HAMAS. Israel can afford to drag it out. Hamas can't. Hamas Moslems are going against their Mohommedistic nature in attacking Israel and are in a race against time. Soon all of Islam will do to the French, what the Germans did to the Jews. They will extract their Christian Sacrificial 'Messiah' out of France to die for their Moslem sins. Hitler the Prophet offset the Messiah Jesus. So too will a Messiah for the Moslems offset their Prophet Mohommed. What goes around, comes around.
When Islam (as a Military Empire) gets its Messiah - it will fold as an Empire and lay down its 'weapons'. Moslems will thus become 'unarmed' and like the wandering Jews of old.
Hamas will cease to exist, forced to comply with all other Moslems in their new existence. While the unarmed wandering Jews of old, are now rising as a Military entity and in the future will be the New 'Empire' of the Middle-East.
In short.
What the Germans did to the Jews.
The Moslems will soon do to the French.
Then the Italians (Mafia+Vatican) will genocide the unarmed and vulnerable Moslems by the millions. Of course, the Moslems will pray to Allah for salvation and beg to the world for help (but past transgressions like Terrorism and Jihads won't be forgotten) - but the world will turn a blind eye. Only one nation will come to their aid and save them - ISRAEL. Ironic huh? Wink Israel, by then will be more Militarily powerful than it is currently and it will destroy Italy (Mafia/Vatican).
Thus Christianity in Germany has already been broken. Soon Christianity in France will burn like a Notre Dame cathedral and Christianity (Vatican) will be destroyed by its own deal with the Mafia devil. Thus, only Great Britain will remain of the Big 4. But by the time Great Britain's Christianity is taken to the Test. Israel and Islam will be 'United' (amazing huh?  Wink) and Great Britain must 'carry its Union Jack cross' and make the ultimate sacrifice to make Israel and Islam into 'Istari' (I-star-I: The Star of David between the two Pillars of Heaven in accordance with the Koran).
Basically, this is how it will be. It's a future that can't be denied or escaped from. Even a Muppet (The Dark Crystal) can see it coming.  Wink.
So, with this said. Hamas will fail and self destruct. Israel doesn't need to 'conquer', it only needs to prevail and not be defeated, etc. Terrorism in itself is nothing more than the last vapors of a once glorious Empire. When Islam soon turns to its last great Jihad against Christianity (the death of 'christian' France), Hamas won't be receiving any support from the likes of Iran or any other Moslem nation or entity. Hamas will implode. This is why you see Palestinians around the world showing they still 'exist' like how the Jews did - homeless, for Palestine as a nation will cease to exist by its own hand. The process you could say, is half-way there.
Islam falls from being an Empire but rises into the Garden of Religion. Jews fell from the Garden of Religion, but now Rise into being the premier Empire of the Middle-East.
...it's all just a process.
Why? Well that takes a lot to explain - but you I can say that the discovery/colonisations of the New Worlds are having an effect of 'change' upon the Old Worlds.

As a Jew myself, I can easily explain the cause of Nazi Germany and why it did to us Jews what it did. We are as much to blame for our 'holocaust' as anyone else. Nazism was our 'Frankenstein' Monster and as the humbling joke goes: What was Jesus's last words to his Jewish people when nailed to a cross? "Wait till my little brother Hitler gets you - you bastards! Angry" What goes around, comes around. Redneck Prophets and Gay Messiahs... oh look! As I have said for years on this Forum. France's next President is 'Gay'. A fitting 'Messiah' for the Moslems don't you think Tickle&Rose? Wink

Thus you are mathematically right with Israel. Currently it is not sustainable or even feasible to obliterate HAMAS by its own means. But by not allowing HAMAS to 'regain' what it has already lost, Hamas will eventually collapse in on itself like a star that has run out of hydrogen and then helium. It too cannot sustain much in the manner of what it first tried to achieve - which is all that Israel needs to do.

Judaism is the Middle-East's theme on Asia (the Holy City)
Mohommedism is the Middle-East's theme on Africa (the Holy Land).
Christianity is the Middle-East's theme on Europe (the Holy Ghost).
With the emergence of the New Worlds into the consciousness of the Old Worlds. Old Religions are falling back upon their pasts. In the end - Israel and Islam will cease to exist, as Istari will remain. As too will Christianity.
They will be relics upon Museum shelves and their books will be found in Libraries among many others. For the 'Empire' of the Middle-East will be ruled (wait for it Wink) by a Zoroastrian (Greek word).

So, I know you want to ask. How do I know or come about all this? Well, I've run out of type limit characte  Sad
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