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Reply #15 - Jan 5^th, 2024 at 3:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 3:29pm:

My problem with fixed terms of a definite length are that the first period is spent recovering from the election, the next period is spent doing something, anything and the last period is spent preparing for an election. Look at the USA to see that. While they sound like a good idea, they aren't.

As for voting on policies as Bobby wants, that is the function of Parliament. If you cannot get sufficient traction in Parliament there is no way you will have sufficient traction outside it, you would be subject to idiots and populists who have axes to grind. Parliament is elected for a reason. Use it or lose it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What about -
(2) whether we send our soldiers off to war,

Our PM can decide that without any vote in parliament. Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Jan 5^th, 2024 at 4:45pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 3:29pm:

My problem with fixed terms of a definite length are that the first period is spent recovering from the election, the next period is spent doing something, anything and the last period is spent preparing for an election. Look at the USA to see that. While they sound like a good idea, they aren't.

As for voting on policies as Bobby wants, that is the function of Parliament. If you cannot get sufficient traction in Parliament there is no way you will have sufficient traction outside it, you would be subject to idiots and populists who have axes to grind. Parliament is elected for a reason. Use it or lose it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What about -
(2) whether we send our soldiers off to war,

Our PM can decide that without any vote in parliament. Roll Eyes

Under the Constitution that is a power reserved to the Federal Government. Now, unless you are suggesting a Constitutional referendum to change it you are as usual, barking up the wrong tree, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - Jan 5^th, 2024 at 5:12pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 3:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 2:43pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 4^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

They should also change the rules for the Senate - in that anyone elected to or offered a Senate position under the banner of one of the Political Parties who resigns from said Party cannot remain in the position as an Independent Senator.

not just the senate, it should apply to both houses

Members of the house should not be allowed to be in any political party they should represent us not a political religion committed to work against our interests.

even better Wink

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #18 - Jan 5^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 4:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 3:29pm:

My problem with fixed terms of a definite length are that the first period is spent recovering from the election, the next period is spent doing something, anything and the last period is spent preparing for an election. Look at the USA to see that. While they sound like a good idea, they aren't.

As for voting on policies as Bobby wants, that is the function of Parliament. If you cannot get sufficient traction in Parliament there is no way you will have sufficient traction outside it, you would be subject to idiots and populists who have axes to grind. Parliament is elected for a reason. Use it or lose it. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What about -
(2) whether we send our soldiers off to war,

Our PM can decide that without any vote in parliament. Roll Eyes

Under the Constitution that is a power reserved to the Federal Government. Now, unless you are suggesting a Constitutional referendum to change it you are as usual, barking up the wrong tree, Bobby. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

It would have been good to add that to the Voice referendum. Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Jan 5^th, 2024 at 6:03pm

Again -

My complaint is that we never to get to vote on any important issues e.g.

(1) the mass immigration of millions of migrants many from terrorist countries,
(2) whether we send our soldiers off to war,
(3) digital ID,
(4) closing down of all coal fired power stations leaving high power prices and possible blackouts,
(5) pension age as it keeps going up without our permission.
(6) death penalty for outrageous crimes.

etc

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Reply #20 - Jan 5^th, 2024 at 6:13pm

(1) the mass immigration of millions of migrants many from terrorist countries,

Posted on 22 July 2021 by David Evans

https://wentworthreport.com/2021/07/22/australian-immigration-policy/

The Wentworth Report

Semi-official admission by anti-democratic elite —
we never voted for high immigration:

Back in 1994, launching a book of essays, former prime minister Bob Hawke made the remarkably frank admission that immigration policy had effectively been a conspiracy by the political establishment against the Australian public.

Hawke agreed with one author’s observation that most voters wanted immigration reduced and that the parties had deliberately kept it out of public debate, saying there had indeed been “an implicit pact between the major parties to implement broad policies on immigration that they know are not generally endorsed by the electorate” and that
“they have done this by keeping the subject off the political agenda”

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40926	Re: Albo wants pollies in for longer ... Reply #21 - Jan 5^th, 2024 at 6:51pm Until you propose a Constitutional referendum and it is adopted by the Government of the day, Bobby all you doing is wasting our time and our money, which is typical of you. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #22 - Jan 5^th, 2024 at 7:04pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 6:51pm:

Until you propose a Constitutional referendum and it is adopted by the Government of the day, Bobby all you doing is wasting our time and our money, which is typical of you. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

dear Brian,
many blessings.
I will continue to point out the disgraceful state of
our so called democracy where the real issues are hidden from us
and not discussed during elections -

without fear or permission from one such as you.

forgiven
namaste

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40926	Re: Albo wants pollies in for longer ... Reply #23 - Jan 6^th, 2024 at 10:59am
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 44607 Gender:	Re: Albo wants pollies in for longer ... Reply #24 - Jan 6^th, 2024 at 7:52pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6^th, 2024 at 10:59am: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6924/ZAppQd.jpg Rock a bye your bear's now asleep. Bbwian, you are a laughable , infantile jerk.
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Reply #25 - Jan 16^th, 2024 at 8:06am

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2024 at 8:41pm:

How many early elections have we had?

Every one of them was shorter than 3 years, let alone 4 years

Would 4-year terms eliminate early elections ?

YES, it DOES.

After a series of referenda, all mainland states and territories* now have four-year terms of government - with fixed dates for elections.

*NO one knows what happens in Tasmania ?

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83774 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Albo wants pollies in for longer ... Reply #26 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 7:36am We want them in for a longer stretch when caught with hands in the till..... theft as a servant under Scottish Law is double sentence...
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Reply #27 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 1:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

My complaint is that we never to get to vote on any important issues e.g.

(1) the mass immigration of millions of migrants many from terrorist countries,
(2) whether we send our soldiers off to war,
(3) digital ID,
(4) closing down of all coal fired power stations leaving high power prices and possible blackouts,
(5) pension age as it keeps going up without our permission.
(6) death penalty for outrageous crimes.

etc

Perhaps we could have an election with attached plebiscite every fortnight - and when any new policy is announced.

1. When the death penalty was abolished, the legislation was drafted in such a way that it can never be reinstated.

2. When the aged pension was introduced, it was set at an age GREATER than the average life expectancy.
It is raised to move closer to that standard.
If the aged pension was first introduced NOW, you'd get your first pension cheque after your
84th birthday.

3. No government has EVER "closed down" a coal driven power plant.
These closures have been decisions made by private owners and operators - when they are deemed no longer profitable or viable.

Electricity in Australia is among the cheapest in the world - and one of THE cheapest in the world, as a portion of average incomes.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countr...

Australia IS a nation of whingers, who wouldn't know "doing it tough" - if it came up and bit them on the bum !

Electricity in the UK is almost double the price we pay in Australia

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 44607 Gender:	Re: Albo wants pollies in for longer ... Reply #28 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 2:19pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 17^th, 2024 at 1:59pm: Electricity in the UK is almost double the price we pay in Australia . In China and India it is one third of what we pay here. Nigeria, one fifth. In Iran it's free. How do they do it?
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Reply #29 - Jan 17^th, 2024 at 4:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 5^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

Again -

My complaint is that we never to get to vote on any important issues e.g.

(1) the mass immigration of millions of migrants many from terrorist countries,
(2) whether we send our soldiers off to war,
(3) digital ID,
(4) closing down of all coal fired power stations leaving high power prices and possible blackouts,
(5) pension age as it keeps going up without our permission.
(6) death penalty for outrageous crimes.

etc

The death penalty is an outrageous crime itself.

We are a civilised country, Bobby - we will not be introducing draconian punishments.

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