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democratic peace
Mar 21^st, 2024 at 10:27am

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 10:10am:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 9:32am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 9:29am:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 7:55am:

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Those may be 'ideals' for human societies to aim for,
but they certainly have never been established foundations,
in reality, for more that a few nano-seconds.

They have been established foundations for as long as civilisation as we have come to know it has been established.

So....how come the most characteristic, persistent human behaviour has been continuous warfare?

When was the last war that was fought with both sides of the conflict being liberal democracies?

Never, because the "liberal democracies" have all signed up to US military hegemony.

If war is a continuous and persistent human characteristic, why were the voters in the various liberal democracies all so eager to abandon it?

And why do all militaries have to spend so much effort training people to overcome their natural instincts?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11758 Armidale Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #1 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 1:00pm Why were Britain and then US the world-policeman? Why do they jump into any wars they can with Oz right behind them?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: democratic peace Reply #2 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 1:09pm Quote: Why were Britain and then US the world-policeman? No idea. TGD keeps insisting that America intervene in Israel. He hasn't explained why this burden should fall on the US. He seems to think it should just magically happen once the UN gets the paperwork in order.
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Reply #3 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 1:52pm

chimera wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 1:00pm:

Why were Britain and then US the world-policeman? Why do they jump into any wars they can with Oz right behind them?

Because Politics/Law is the 'British' way of life.
It's their 'cultural' priority above all else.
The 'United Kingdom's' Royalty though, kinda sticks to Master of Ceremony stuff, Entertainment like marching band Tattoos and Eurovision, etc.

Britain, unlike any other nation is paying the ultimate sacrifice (as does its people) to bring the 'Truth' to the world via Politics/Law.

USA might think it's the 'Sheriff' of the World, but while the Media (of Entertainment) corrupts its Politics, its really not following the British rule of thumb.

Why Britain and not say, the Aborigines? Well the Aborigines have made all things 'the Land' as its cultural priority. Politics & Law are way down on the ladder for them.

Everyone thinks they're good at 'everything', but they're not.
Asia is good at one thing, but not another.

No other nation, though Germany thought it was the best at Politics than Great Britain - but failed.
France still thinks it's superior than GB, but it too will soon fail.
As will the former Roman Empire, Italy - via its MAFIA, but it will fail because the world will not accept the Political Truth of the Mafia (obviously).

Every Region has its cultural destiny and so far, until such time it finally fails in Europe and moves 'into the West' (to reclaim USA in its entirety) - Britain is the one 'true' GIFT of Politics/Law to the world.

...this is why Australia should be staying Politically focused on Britain, rather than the USA (Media of Entertainment Politics).

Come now. What is Africa's 'Gift' to the world as the cultural leader? And what African nation 'specifically' makes this a priority over all else?

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11758 Armidale Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #4 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 2:13pm freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 10:27am: If war is a continuous and persistent human characteristic, why were the voters in the various liberal democracies all so eager to abandon it? And also not eager to abandon it.
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Reply #5 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 2:19pm

chimera wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 2:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 10:27am:

If war is a continuous and persistent human characteristic, why were the voters in the various liberal democracies all so eager to abandon it?

And also not eager to abandon it.

When was the last war that was fought with both sides of the conflict being liberal democracies?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11758 Armidale Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #6 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 3:15pm Suez 1956. winner-US. France: New Zealand 1985. winner- France. US : Chile 1973. winner- US. UK: Oireland forever and a day, to be sure. no winners. US Defense Budjet $1.282 trillyun, Liberal party dollers. winner- freeeeedom and demarcrassee.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: democratic peace Reply #7 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 3:33pm chimera wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 3:15pm: Suez 1956. winner-US. France: New Zealand 1985. winner- France. US : Chile 1973. winner- US. UK: Oireland forever and a day, to be sure. no winners. US Defense Budjet $1.282 trillyun, Liberal party dollers. winner- freeeeedom and demarcrassee. Are you saying they were all wars?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11758 Armidale Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #8 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 4:24pm 'war: a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country'. UK lost 22 in Suez war, defeated by US economic-war threat. US bribed Nasser with $3mill to be an ally. The British Empire then ended as a major power and became an aircraft carrier off the coast of France.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: democratic peace Reply #9 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 4:27pm And the war between France and NZ?
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Reply #10 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 4:40pm

chimera wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 4:24pm:

'war: a state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country'.
UK lost 22 in Suez war, defeated by US economic-war threat. US bribed Nasser with $3mill to be an ally. The British Empire then ended as a major power and became an aircraft carrier off the coast of France.

The last armed conflict between the US and UK was in 1812. Neither was a Liberal democracy.
There was no war between the US and UK/France/Israel in 1956.

There was no war between France and NZ in the 80s either.

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Setanta Gold Member Online \/ Peace man! Posts: 16618 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #11 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:04pm freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 4:27pm: And the war between France and NZ? Conflict is not necessarily war and you did ask for conflicts, not wars. Opération Satanique
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Setanta Gold Member Online \/ Peace man! Posts: 16618 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: democratic peace Reply #12 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:09pm Setanta wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:04pm: freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2024 at 4:27pm: And the war between France and NZ? Conflict is not necessarily war and you did ask for conflicts, not wars. Opération Satanique Whoops.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49224 At my desk.	Re: democratic peace Reply #13 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:10pm Sounds like the exception that proves the rule.
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Reply #14 - Mar 21^st, 2024 at 5:44pm

'It caused the resignation of the French Defence Minister Charles Hernu, while the two agents pleaded guilty to manslaughter and were sentenced to ten years in prison. France was also forced to apologise and had to pay reparations to New Zealand'.

Pacific islands don't fight each other, Muslim states rarely do, or African dictatorships or Sth American banana boys. Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan were minding their own business when the Yanks gate crashed the joint. The big killers are the Europeans, the poms did fire-bombing of civilian cities and yanks did the nukes, praise the lord.

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