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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #330 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:18pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:25am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:16am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Just re[eating demagoguery doesn't make it true:

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Their plan is to benefit their mining benefactors, not provide reliable, affordable and clean energy to the people.

This is such juvenile, adolescent 'fighting tories' from the 1960s crap. I am amazed that anyone over 25 thinks like this.

Until they can provide more detail, which Dutton has already stated won't be until after we're to vote at the next election, it's the only conclusion you can draw from the plan as we know it today.

They're not even talking about generation capacity in a way that will allow us to compare with other options...

If you could, you would explain how 7 nationalised nuclear power plants 'benefit their mining benefactors'.

Simple.

Money is taken away from renewables ("We don't need them anymore, we're going nuclear") and funnelled back into gas & coal until the nuclear power plants are operating (which is never, or at least a generation away).

So, their mining benefactors get to keep all the money for at least the next 30 to 40 years.

It's a fairly transparent scheme, Frank.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #331 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:22pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Mining companies are mining and exporting a lot of uranioum ALREADY!!! Using some of it here makes zero difference to the mining companies.

It's never been about Nuclear or uranium mining.

It's all about gas.

That's why it's not a Nuclear energy policy, but a gas one, and that benefits the mining industry.

Even their logic of still aiming for a zero emissions power gird, they've not said how they'll get there.

They're either going to need to drastically increase Nuclear generation, use a bullshit credit system, or heavily invest in renewables and their storage.

Which is more likely for the Coalition?

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #332 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:25am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:16am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Just re[eating demagoguery doesn't make it true:

Quote:

Their plan is to benefit their mining benefactors, not provide reliable, affordable and clean energy to the people.

This is such juvenile, adolescent 'fighting tories' from the 1960s crap. I am amazed that anyone over 25 thinks like this.

Until they can provide more detail, which Dutton has already stated won't be until after we're to vote at the next election, it's the only conclusion you can draw from the plan as we know it today.

They're not even talking about generation capacity in a way that will allow us to compare with other options...

If you could, you would explain how 7 nationalised nuclear power plants 'benefit their mining benefactors'.

Simple.

Money is taken away from renewables ("We don't need them anymore, we're going nuclear") and funnelled back into gas & coal until the nuclear power plants are operating (which is never, or at least a generation away).

So, their mining benefactors get to keep all the money for at least the next 30 to 40 years.

It's a fairly transparent scheme, Frank.

Laughable nonsense.

Gas and coal are profitable without the eye watering government subsidies of wind and solar. Those subsidies would not be given to coal and gas. Unnecessary for them

So yours IS a silly conspiracy theory.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #333 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:56pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Mining companies are mining and exporting a lot of uranioum ALREADY!!! Using some of it here makes zero difference to the mining companies.

It's never been about Nuclear or uranium mining.

It's all about gas.

That's why it's not a Nuclear energy policy, but a gas one, and that benefits the mining industry.

Even their logic of still aiming for a zero emissions power gird, they've not said how they'll get there.

They're either going to need to drastically increase Nuclear generation, use a bullshit credit system, or heavily invest in renewables and their storage.

Which is more likely for the Coalition?

You do realise, don't you, that renewables require a lot of mining, too. Wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are not made of wood and paper and political hot air.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #334 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 1:40pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Mining companies are mining and exporting a lot of uranioum ALREADY!!! Using some of it here makes zero difference to the mining companies.

It's never been about Nuclear or uranium mining.

It's all about gas.

That's why it's not a Nuclear energy policy, but a gas one, and that benefits the mining industry.

Even their logic of still aiming for a zero emissions power gird, they've not said how they'll get there.

They're either going to need to drastically increase Nuclear generation, use a bullshit credit system, or heavily invest in renewables and their storage.

Which is more likely for the Coalition?

You do realise, don't you, that renewables require a lot of mining, too. Wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are not made of wood and paper and political hot air.

Good thing you're so shhmmmartt, ehhh dipshit.

No one would ever have figured any of that out without you to tell them Cheesy

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #335 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 1:43pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:25am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:16am:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Just re[eating demagoguery doesn't make it true:

Quote:

Their plan is to benefit their mining benefactors, not provide reliable, affordable and clean energy to the people.

This is such juvenile, adolescent 'fighting tories' from the 1960s crap. I am amazed that anyone over 25 thinks like this.

Until they can provide more detail, which Dutton has already stated won't be until after we're to vote at the next election, it's the only conclusion you can draw from the plan as we know it today.

They're not even talking about generation capacity in a way that will allow us to compare with other options...

If you could, you would explain how 7 nationalised nuclear power plants 'benefit their mining benefactors'.

Simple.

Money is taken away from renewables ("We don't need them anymore, we're going nuclear") and funnelled back into gas & coal until the nuclear power plants are operating (which is never, or at least a generation away).

So, their mining benefactors get to keep all the money for at least the next 30 to 40 years.

It's a fairly transparent scheme, Frank.

Laughable nonsense.

Gas and coal are profitable without the eye watering government subsidies of wind and solar. Those subsidies would not be given to coal and gas. Unnecessary for them

So yours IS a silly conspiracy theory.

Like global warming is a hoax according to you Fwank....Why go nuclear if global warming is a hoax....Why replace gas and coal with nuclear when there is no need according to you....aeaither Nuclear is needed to contain global warming or it is not needed....You cannot claim global warming is a hoax and then claim Nuclear is the only way to fix the problem....You are a complete flake and a dickhead Fwank!!!

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #336 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:00pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:54pm:

Gas and coal are profitable without the eye watering government subsidies of wind and solar. Those subsidies would not be given to coal and gas. Unnecessary for them

opps, dumbarse gets it wrong again

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In 2022–23, Australian Federal and state governments provided a total of $11.1 billion worth of spending and tax breaks to assist fossil fuel industries.

https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/fossil-fuel-subsidies-in-australia-2023...

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #337 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:01pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Mining companies are mining and exporting a lot of uranioum ALREADY!!! Using some of it here makes zero difference to the mining companies.

It's never been about Nuclear or uranium mining.

It's all about gas.

That's why it's not a Nuclear energy policy, but a gas one, and that benefits the mining industry.

Even their logic of still aiming for a zero emissions power gird, they've not said how they'll get there.

They're either going to need to drastically increase Nuclear generation, use a bullshit credit system, or heavily invest in renewables and their storage.

Which is more likely for the Coalition?

You do realise, don't you, that renewables require a lot of mining, too. Wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are not made of wood and paper and political hot air.

That's how you intend to deflect?

Lot of white flags today Frank.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #338 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:03pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:54pm:

Gas and coal are profitable without the eye watering government subsidies of wind and solar. Those subsidies would not be given to coal and gas. Unnecessary for them

opps, dumbarse gets it wrong again

Quote:
In 2022–23, Australian Federal and state governments provided a total of $11.1 billion worth of spending and tax breaks to assist fossil fuel industries.

https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/fossil-fuel-subsidies-in-australia-2023...

Not to mention the Nuclear plan will be 100% subsidised.

At least Labor have done a good job in getting multinational corporations to pay more, closer to, their fair share of tax and are doing the same to the miners with our resources they're taking out of the ground.

It's no wonder there is such a well funded campaign against them.

So we might have more to show for it when the true intention of Dutton's plan is put into place, but, I fully expect the Libs to undo the gains Labor have made in corporate tax reform AND mining royalties anyway.

So maybe not...

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #339 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 3:41pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Mining companies are mining and exporting a lot of uranioum ALREADY!!! Using some of it here makes zero difference to the mining companies.

It's never been about Nuclear or uranium mining.

It's all about gas.

That's why it's not a Nuclear energy policy, but a gas one, and that benefits the mining industry.

Even their logic of still aiming for a zero emissions power gird, they've not said how they'll get there.

They're either going to need to drastically increase Nuclear generation, use a bullshit credit system, or heavily invest in renewables and their storage.

Which is more likely for the Coalition?

You do realise, don't you, that renewables require a lot of mining, too. Wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are not made of wood and paper and political hot air.

That's how you intend to deflect?

Lot of white flags today Frank.

I've told you before: Frank won't listen.

He likes to live in his own little world.

No amount of proof will convince him if it's something he doesn't like.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #340 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 3:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Mining companies are mining and exporting a lot of uranioum ALREADY!!! Using some of it here makes zero difference to the mining companies.

It's never been about Nuclear or uranium mining.

It's all about gas.

That's why it's not a Nuclear energy policy, but a gas one, and that benefits the mining industry.

Even their logic of still aiming for a zero emissions power gird, they've not said how they'll get there.

They're either going to need to drastically increase Nuclear generation, use a bullshit credit system, or heavily invest in renewables and their storage.

Which is more likely for the Coalition?

You do realise, don't you, that renewables require a lot of mining, too. Wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are not made of wood and paper and political hot air.

That's how you intend to deflect?

Lot of white flags today Frank.

I've told you before: Frank won't listen.

He likes to live in his own little world.

No amount of proof will convince him if it's something he doesn't like.

What is it about this place that attracts so many mentally ill posters?

I'm not saying I'm immune. I clearly can't leave well enough alone, but at least I try to keep my opinions grounded in facts while exposing myself to competing views.

But I'm feeling that itch... The thought that creeps in and makes me realise I need a break from the crazy here.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #341 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 4:04pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 3:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Mining companies are mining and exporting a lot of uranioum ALREADY!!! Using some of it here makes zero difference to the mining companies.

It's never been about Nuclear or uranium mining.

It's all about gas.

That's why it's not a Nuclear energy policy, but a gas one, and that benefits the mining industry.

Even their logic of still aiming for a zero emissions power gird, they've not said how they'll get there.

They're either going to need to drastically increase Nuclear generation, use a bullshit credit system, or heavily invest in renewables and their storage.

Which is more likely for the Coalition?

You do realise, don't you, that renewables require a lot of mining, too. Wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are not made of wood and paper and political hot air.

That's how you intend to deflect?

Lot of white flags today Frank.

I've told you before: Frank won't listen.

He likes to live in his own little world.

No amount of proof will convince him if it's something he doesn't like.

What is it about this place that attracts so many mentally ill posters?

I'm not saying I'm immune. I clearly can't leave well enough alone, but at least I try to keep my opinions grounded in facts while exposing myself to competing views.

But I'm feeling that itch... The thought that creeps in and makes me realise I need a break from the crazy here.

It's quite alarming how detached they are from reality.

Seriously.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #342 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 4:13pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/fossil-fuel-subsidies-i
n-australia-2023...

Ooh tax breaks. Just like renewables get.

"The assistance measures detailed in budget papers and annual reports include far more support measures than are considered by the narrowest definitions of subsidies."

https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/P1378-Fossil-fuel-s...

So they gilded the lily. Wink

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Reply #343 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 4:19pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 12:22pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 11:46am:

Mining companies are mining and exporting a lot of uranioum ALREADY!!! Using some of it here makes zero difference to the mining companies.

It's never been about Nuclear or uranium mining.

It's all about gas.

That's why it's not a Nuclear energy policy, but a gas one, and that benefits the mining industry.

Even their logic of still aiming for a zero emissions power gird, they've not said how they'll get there.

They're either going to need to drastically increase Nuclear generation, use a bullshit credit system, or heavily invest in renewables and their storage.

Which is more likely for the Coalition?

You do realise, don't you, that renewables require a lot of mining, too. Wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are not made of wood and paper and political hot air.

How much mining, compared to coal fired power?

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #344 - Jun 26^th, 2024 at 4:28pm

lee wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 4:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

https://australiainstitute.org.au/report/fossil-fuel-subsidies-i
n-australia-2023...

Ooh tax breaks. Just like renewables get.

"The assistance measures detailed in budget papers and annual reports include far more support measures than are considered by the narrowest definitions of subsidies."

https://australiainstitute.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/P1378-Fossil-fuel-s...

So they gilded the lily. Wink

Wink

no one said renewable don't get any dumbarse. it's the fossil fule morons that keep crying they get no subsidies. Why do you always feel the need to lie about it Lee?

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