Deception of Non-Muslims - Revision history

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Statistics

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	== Statistics ==		== Statistics ==

			Muslims believe it is not lying to completely make up statistics, based on nothing more than assumption. They consider it nitpicking if you claim that it is lying. This appears to be related to the Islamic requirement to automatically assume the best of their fellow Muslims. They will try to pass it off as being no different to the legal convention of presuming innocence. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1587328751/285#285]

	Muslims often attempt to misrepresent the threat posed by Islamic terrorism with statistics that equate attacks such as 9/11, the London bombings, Madrid and Bali with vandalism attacks by other extremist political groups. They do this by measuring the 'rate' of terrorism by the number of individual events, rather than a more appropriate measure of risk, such as death toll.		Muslims often attempt to misrepresent the threat posed by Islamic terrorism with statistics that equate attacks such as 9/11, the London bombings, Madrid and Bali with vandalism attacks by other extremist political groups. They do this by measuring the 'rate' of terrorism by the number of individual events, rather than a more appropriate measure of risk, such as death toll.

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Moral equivalence

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	* Muhammad spent approximately 6 years robbing caravans on their way to Mecca. Muslims will argue that this was just compensation for earlier persecution by Meccans, or that it was a legitimate act in an ongoing war that had been declared but not actually begun. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374276604/4#4]		* Muhammad spent approximately 6 years robbing caravans on their way to Mecca. Muslims will argue that this was just compensation for earlier persecution by Meccans, or that it was a legitimate act in an ongoing war that had been declared but not actually begun. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374276604/4#4]
	* Forbidding all non-Muslims from Mecca is no different to being unable to purchase land privately in Vatican city, or to the creation of Israel. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374893194/8#8]		* Forbidding all non-Muslims from Mecca is no different to being unable to purchase land privately in Vatican city, or to the creation of Israel. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374893194/8#8]

			Muslims will attempt to make the Allies in WWII morally equivalent to the Nazis, Hirohito and Mussolini. They will argue for example that Hitler was a mere puppet to a grand conspiracy run by the "Christian Establishment". [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1550232167] They will also argue that the outcome of WWI and WWII had no implications for freedom and democracy, implying that westerners only fought for greed and self interest and never actually fought to defend freedom and democracy. The implication is that they acquired freedom and democracy instead through some kind of historical accident - thus the large wars fought in the west only differ from Muslims slaughtering each other in that they were on a larger scale. In order to deflect criticism for the various wars fought by Muslims to impose religion on people and acquire sex slaves for the purpose of rape evangelism, as well as the wars that the west had to fight to stop slavery in the Muslim world, Muslims will attempt to blame Christianity for Nazism and deny any broader benefit to the world from defeating the Nazis.

	== Victimhood ==		== Victimhood ==

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Freedom

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	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1217813944/226#226]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1217813944/226#226]
	Muslims will claim that merely living within the law is sufficient to protect freedom of speech and deny that others have even suggested otherwise [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1217813944/280#280], at the same time as insulting others for not doing enough to protect freedom of speech. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1217813944/283#283]		Muslims will claim that merely living within the law is sufficient to protect freedom of speech and deny that others have even suggested otherwise [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1217813944/280#280], at the same time as insulting others for not doing enough to protect freedom of speech. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1217813944/283#283]

			== Temporary rights are human rights ==

			When discussing human rights with Muslims, and Muslims claim to support rights, Muslims will assume the discussion is about temporary rights granted only while Muslims are not in a position to take them away, unless you specifically state that you do not mean temporary rights. For example, Muslims will argue that Dhimmitude is against oppression and that Muhammad granted rights to pagans, Jews, etc. They will provide 'evidence' for this in the form of specific examples of Muhammad negotiating rights with a small group of people from a position of weakness, then later discarding them when in a position of power. They will insist that it is honest to claim, based on these limited examples, that Muhammad granted rights to Jews and pagans, and that Dhimmitude is against oppression, unless it is specifically stated that "rights" does not mean "temporary rights," or rights granted only in a position of weakness. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1535727444/144#144]

	== Democracy ==		== Democracy ==

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Revising history: science and the 'peaceful' empire fairytale

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	Muslims will make particularly ludicrous and misleading claims about history, then later justify this by claiming that they made more accurate statements elsewhere and blaming their critics for not quoting the statements that 'matter'. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1508378680/261#261]		Muslims will make particularly ludicrous and misleading claims about history, then later justify this by claiming that they made more accurate statements elsewhere and blaming their critics for not quoting the statements that 'matter'. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1508378680/261#261]

			Muslims will claim that Dhimmitude is specifically against oppression of non-Muslims. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1535727444] The reality is that Muhammad's system of government created a caste system where there was previous Pagans, Jews and Christians living side by side as political equals. Under Dhimmitude, Muslims are on top, Christians and Jews are next, but suffer a variety of deprivations, including genocide when convenient, while pagans are at the bottom and were wiped out very quickly.

	== Statistics ==		== Statistics ==

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Domestic Violence

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	As with rape, Muslims simply redefine [http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values#Domestic_violence domestic violence] to match Islamic law and focus on portraying it as a western problem, attributable to western freedoms, that does not occur under Islam. Consider this classic quote from a Muslim on our forum: "Domestic violence is a disease which must be stamped out of all societies. But it has nothing to do with giving your wife a 'smack' when she's gotten out of control" [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1232575425/47#47] Muhammad pardoned a man who had beaten his wife until her skin was green with bruises.		As with rape, Muslims simply redefine [http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Islam_and_Australian_values#Domestic_violence domestic violence] to match Islamic law and focus on portraying it as a western problem, attributable to western freedoms, that does not occur under Islam. Consider this classic quote from a Muslim on our forum: "Domestic violence is a disease which must be stamped out of all societies. But it has nothing to do with giving your wife a 'smack' when she's gotten out of control" [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1232575425/47#47] Muhammad pardoned a man who had beaten his wife until her skin was green with bruises.

			Muslims will claim that Muhammad never beat his wives, despite documented cases. [http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1232575425/49#49]

	== Pedophilia ==		== Pedophilia ==

Freediver: /* Lying about the Quran */

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Lying about the Quran

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	= Lying about the Quran =		= Lying about the Quran =

			[[Deception_and_the_Just_War_Doctrine#Misrepresenting_the_Quran]]

	Muslims will lie about the Quran, primarily to whitewash the promotion of violence.		Muslims will lie about the Quran, primarily to whitewash the promotion of violence.

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Lying about the Quran

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 Muslims will falsely claim that the Quran is not anti-semitic (despite clearly anti-semitic content) on the grounds that Jews are technically considered to be Muslims.
 [http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Muslims_Promote_Genocide#Religious_Motivation]
 Muslims have a broad variety of more subtle ways of distancing themselves from their religion

Freediver: /* Lying about the Quran */

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Lying about the Quran

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	Muhammad committed genocide by wiping out the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe - the last remaining of three large tribes of Jews in Medina. Muslims will falsely claim that the Quran states that members of the tribe were freed, in order to contradict other Muslim sources who state that all 'adult' (those who had pubic hair) men were killed and the rest taken prisoner. They will 'paraphrase' the Quran to insert the claim that some were freed. The Quran does not state that some were freed, but does confirm they were either executed or taken prisoner.		Muhammad committed genocide by wiping out the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe - the last remaining of three large tribes of Jews in Medina. Muslims will falsely claim that the Quran states that members of the tribe were freed, in order to contradict other Muslim sources who state that all 'adult' (those who had pubic hair) men were killed and the rest taken prisoner. They will 'paraphrase' the Quran to insert the claim that some were freed. The Quran does not state that some were freed, but does confirm they were either executed or taken prisoner.
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Muslims_Promote_Genocide#Denialism]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Muslims_Promote_Genocide#Denialism]

			Muslims will falsely claim that the Quran forbids rape.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Muslims_Promote_Genocide#Sex_Slaves]

			Muslims will falsely claim that the Quran is not anti-semitic (despite clearly anti-semitic content) on the grounds that Jews are technically considered to be Muslims.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Muslims_Promote_Genocide#Religious_Motivation]

	Muslims have a broad variety of more subtle ways of distancing themselves from their religion		Muslims have a broad variety of more subtle ways of distancing themselves from their religion

Freediver: /* Lying about the Quran */

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Lying about the Quran

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	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Muslims_Promote_Genocide#Denialism]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Muslims_Promote_Genocide#Denialism]

	Muslims have a broad variety of more subtle ways of distancing themselves from their religion.		Muslims have a broad variety of more subtle ways of distancing themselves from their religion
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Deception_of_Non-Muslims#Disowning_Islam]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Deception_of_Non-Muslims#Disowning_Islam]
			or misleading people by changing the meaning of words.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Deception_of_Non-Muslims#Semantic_deceptions]

	= Some common strategies =		= Some common strategies =

Freediver: /* Lying about the Quran */

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Lying about the Quran

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	Muhammad committed genocide by wiping out the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe - the last remaining of three large tribes of Jews in Medina. Muslims will falsely claim that the Quran states that members of the tribe were freed, in order to contradict other Muslim sources who state that all 'adult' (those who had pubic hair) men were killed and the rest taken prisoner. They will 'paraphrase' the Quran to insert the claim that some were freed. The Quran does not state that some were freed, but does confirm they were either executed or taken prisoner.		Muhammad committed genocide by wiping out the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe - the last remaining of three large tribes of Jews in Medina. Muslims will falsely claim that the Quran states that members of the tribe were freed, in order to contradict other Muslim sources who state that all 'adult' (those who had pubic hair) men were killed and the rest taken prisoner. They will 'paraphrase' the Quran to insert the claim that some were freed. The Quran does not state that some were freed, but does confirm they were either executed or taken prisoner.
	[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Muslims_Promote_Genocide#Denialism]		[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Muslims_Promote_Genocide#Denialism]

			Muslims have a broad variety of more subtle ways of distancing themselves from their religion.
			[http://www.ozpolitic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Deception_of_Non-Muslims#Disowning_Islam]

	= Some common strategies =		= Some common strategies =