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* Theocracy: Islam requires establishment of theocracy, but not by force. In Australia, Muslims would presumably only act if they gained some power as a voting block, at which point they would set about dismantling the separation of church and state, turning Australia into a theocracy, and if the opportunity arose, making Australia part of a new Caliphate.  
* Theocracy: Islam requires establishment of theocracy. In Australia, Muslims would presumably only act if they gained some power as a voting block, at which point they would set about dismantling the separation of church and state, turning Australia into a theocracy, and if the opportunity arose, making Australia part of a new Caliphate. To make matters more confusing, Islam actually forbids people from voting in democratic elections. I'm still not sure how this would work.
 
* Apostasy: If a Muslim converts to another religion or rejects Islam, he shall be put to death. Again, there is some confusion about this as Islam also forbids compulsion in religion.


* Adultery: The penalty for adultery (extramarital sex) is death by stoning. Only the married participants are stoned to death.
* Adultery: The penalty for adultery (extramarital sex) is death by stoning. Only the married participants are stoned to death.

Revision as of 00:07, 5 July 2008

This is a list I am putting together of apparent conflicts between Islam and Australian values. It comes from this discussion:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1215058243

  • Theocracy: Islam requires establishment of theocracy. In Australia, Muslims would presumably only act if they gained some power as a voting block, at which point they would set about dismantling the separation of church and state, turning Australia into a theocracy, and if the opportunity arose, making Australia part of a new Caliphate. To make matters more confusing, Islam actually forbids people from voting in democratic elections. I'm still not sure how this would work.
  • Apostasy: If a Muslim converts to another religion or rejects Islam, he shall be put to death. Again, there is some confusion about this as Islam also forbids compulsion in religion.
  • Adultery: The penalty for adultery (extramarital sex) is death by stoning. Only the married participants are stoned to death.
  • Fornication: The penalty for fornication (premarital sex) is 100 lashes. The penalty may be waived if the fornicators were not given the opportunity to marry before sex (eg because they couldn't afford it).
  • Homosexuality: The penalty is the same as for adultery or fornication, depending on whether you are married. This would only take place once Australia became a theocracy. Very few gays would actually be executed because 'apparently' homosexuality simply disappears under Islam. That is, it is not driven underground by the death penalty, rather men just stop having sex with each other because they are Muslims. Four witnesses are necessary to secure a conviction and punishment.
  • Age of consent: If there's grass on the wicket, it's time to play cricket. The penalty for sex with a prepubescent child is death by stoning.
  • Polygamy: A man may have up to four wives. A woman may have only one husband. She only needs one, as he provides whatever she needs. A Muslim man may take a Jewish or Christian wife, but not an atheist one or one from a 'non-Abrahamic' religion. A Muslim woman may only marry a Muslim man.
  • Clothing: A woman must cover everything except her face and hands. Her clothes must not be too tight fitting, in case her figure can be made out. Penalty????
  • Theft: Penalty is getting your hand cut off, unless your circumstances compelled you to steal (eg to provide food for your family). Cleptomaniacs would get their hand cut off.

I am still not sure how 'hard' Islam requires it's followers to 'lobby' for these changes. There appears to be some confusion on this issue.